• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    We can’t afford to waste this chance…

    There is zero reason to settle for “not trump” we need to use Republican Inaptitude to get a decent progressive in power , there’s zero reason to compromise with Republicans after this shit.

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      I don’t know that there’s a ‘we’ here, as the billionaires run the Democratic Party too and have sued for the privilege of holding undemocratic primaries.

      With that said, the SHTA precipitating the historic Senate loss isn’t the only historical pattern working against Trump in 2026.

      Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden all entered office with control of Congress and lost control at the mid-terms, so it’s highly likely that will happen again.

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        , as the billionaires run the Democratic Party too

        No, neoliberals have held the DNC chair for decades. And they did whatever billionaires said.

        The current chair of the DNC is not a neoliberal. He used to be Minnesota’s state chair, and if he acts like he did then he’ll be the most progressive chair we’ve had in 30 years, arguably 50 years.

        The fight over the party already happened and the neoliberals lost.

        Don’t blame the new guy for what the old guy did

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          I will believe it matters when I see it, and I’m doubtful 40+ years of masquerading as progressives and ruling as conservatives is going to change anytime soon.

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            and I’m doubtful 40+ years of masquerading as progressives and ruling as conservatives is going to change anytime soon.

            Then it sounds like you’re ignorant both of how the DNC works and Ken Martin’s history running Minnesota’s state party…

            The DNC chair is a dictator, he calls all the shots and is accountable to no one. For all intents and purposes the DNC chair is the national party.

            It’s been less than two months since Martin took over the DNC. Don’t blame him for what happened before he had total control.

            But seriously, look into what Minnesota has been up to. Loads of progressives and turned a battleground into a solid blue state.

            His main concern is winning elections, so he doesn’t fight progressives in primaries, because that’s what voters want.

            This isn’t blind loyalty. If I didn’t have valid reasons to support the DNC I can assure you I wouldn’t be doing it

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              Don’t blame him for what happened before he had total control.

              Don’t expect me to ignore 40+ years of history on the basis of mere promises, when broken Democratic promises paved the road to the fascism we’re having to fight today. Frankly, it’s unreasonable, and no one should expect Democrats to do what they say they’re going to do until they demonstrate it.

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              Really admire your optimism here, but I’m far too cynical on Dems to think this can work without a whole new party to replace them. The Democrat brand is so incredibly tarnished by corruption and disingenuousness.

              While you’re right that the DNC chair does hold a lot of power in the party, I struggle to recall a single instance in my lifetime when any dem held real power and leveraged it effectively to benefit the working class.

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                instance in my lifetime

                Because since Jimmy Carter the DNC chair has been further right than the Dem voters base…

                And that stopped being true about two months ago

                Did it ever occur to you why about two months ago suddenly mainstream media started being ok criticizing Dems?

                The oligarchs want us to fail. Because we just won.

                Stop doing what theyre manipulating you into doing

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        People are going to say it shouldn’t be her for all the same reasons they said Obama couldn’t win…

        AOC is popular enough to get the votes, and she’ll actually fight while in office.

        I really hope she runs.

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            No, Dem voters hate uncharismatic politicians with policy to the right of the Dem voting base.

            And Hillary and Harris still almost won because Trump is so shit.

            The part that needs to change is not the gender of the candidate

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            You shut your mouth. This is America! We like our guns loud, our cars broken down, our food fried, and our presidents oooooold. If you didn’t grow up playing with one of these, you simply aren’t fit to be president in this country!

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          I hope you’re right. I feel this country’s rampant sexism is far worse than its rampant racism. Either way, AOC is facing both forms of bigotry

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            It’s not

            Venn diagram of racism and sexism is pretty much a single circle. And they’d treat an old white straight catholic conservative male just as badly.

            Don’t listen to the neoliberals who blame Hillary and Harris’ lose on sexism. They lost due to their conservative policies and almost conplete lack of charisma and authenticity.

            AOC is essentially the complete opposite in those regards

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              Hillary lost because of a multi-decade campaign against her by the right wing propaganda machines.

              Sexism played a role in Harris’ loss but overall her issue wasn’t focusing on economic populism.

              AOC faces a similar level of hate from right wing media.

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                Hillary lost because of a multi-decade campaign against her by the right wing propaganda machines.

                Hillary lost because the only voting demographic that hates her more than Republican voters, is Dem voters.

                For valid reasons related to her unpopular policy and zero charisma.

                It doesn’t matter how many comments you make denying it, people started paying attention to politics again.

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                  Hot take: you’re both right.

                  Right-wing spin machine had been after Hillary for years. It severely damaged her campaign.

                  Hillary had no appeal to 60% of the Dem base. It severely damaged her campaign.

                  AOC faces the same threat from the right-wing spin machine, but she has good policies to sell to the base.

                  Sexism and racism will factor in, of course, but the strongest opposing force is the billionaire news outlets.

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                    It’s also important to note why Biden won. Trump was president and everything sucked. Four years later, dealing with long term consequences of Trump still and waiting for Biden’s longer term planning to kick in there was dissatisfaction and blame was thrown. People remembered how nice 2017 and such were economically and thought “well 2020 was the pandemic” and forgot that everything was getting worse in 2019.

                    So we’re in a precarious position and we said “let the clown run the circus again”. And so we got crammed into the little car and he drove us off a fucking cliff, just like he promised to.

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              Didn’t Obama basically have the same platform? If anything, Hillary ran on healthcare for all while Obama didn’t in 2008. He’s certainly more charismatic and had the image of “not a typical politician”, which helped him win that primary, plus but I think he benefited from W’s economic mess and McCain unwillingness to be an asshole on the campaign trail, unlike Trump with Hillary and Kamala

              But honestly, I’m speaking anecdotally. It’s been extremely depressing how many people have told me that a woman can’t be president because being on her period will make her nuke china. But maybe people just think it’s okay to be sexist out loud more than racist these days.

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              Thank you for saying this. I’m a pretty aggressive feminist but I think this desire to paint the losses of Harris and Clinton on sexism alone is dangerously reductive. I strongly feel like until neoliberals categorize women losing as an individual losing and not an entire gender losing we won’t have real success there. Like, when McCain lost no one was like: WOE MEN CANT WIN it’s OVER for white men boohoo!!

              I hate when they do this boohoo shit over women while running the least charismatic rat fucked campaigns. Wearing pink and holding a sign when they need people wearing red white and blue and open carrying the constitution with brimstone fire.

              That being said, I genuinely in my heart think that AOC has a chance. As long as the controlled opposition doesn’t rat fuck her

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            Hillary did win the popular vote. By a lot.
            People aren’t remotely as sexiest as you think. It’s just that 2% is all it takes to lock in an election pretty well

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              I think that’s called being a good person but don’t bother telling the republicans that

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          She’ll have the same problems Hilary Clinton had in that the right wing propaganda machines have been vilifying her for decades.

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            Who gives a shit?

            We could run Dick Cheney and they’d say the same shit about him.

            They’re going to say anyone with a D by their name is a fucking communist, it literally doesn’t matter what the fucking Republicans say, and there is no logical reason we should move to the right of our own voters because of what Republicans say.

            Because, and I truly hate to break this to you:

            Republicans fucking lie and Santa isn’t real.

            The problem with Hillary wasn’t Republicans saying she sucked because they were “scared” she lost because no one fucking likes her or her policies.

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          She’s why you’re seeing Gavin run further to the right and why Booker pulled off his little stunt. I imagine a few more liberals are going to try and make a big splash in either direction in order to get some camera time before she makes her announcement.

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      They are already trying to setup Kamala for 2028. I have zero faith that the Democrats are going to learn anything from their failure

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        They don’t want to win. At least not with someone who would bring change. Why would they, they are all multimillionaires.

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          This is what I’ve been saying too. They made over a billion dollars and they happily lost taking that money to the DNC bank.

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        They are already trying to setup Kamala for 2028.

        Who is “they”?

        We have a DNC chair that at worst will be impartial.

        And Harris has zero chance of winning a fair primary.

        The only way a neoliberal can win a primary is if the party hands it to them.

        The only way a Republican becomes president, is if the only other choice is a neoliberals.

        The only reason the Republicans have the house, is because of “victory fund” bankrupting stat parties.

        We really didn’t need much, and we got it. Which is why we desperately need to capitalize and move the Overton window as far left as possible while we can

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          “Impartial” like when Bernie Sanders was winning, and every Democrat decided to fold for Biden.

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            And the “Liberal MSM” started running “Bernie loves Castro” stories left and right. Hell one of the chucklefucks at “far left MSNBC” said that if Bernie won he’d put people like himself “against the wall” invoking an image of firing squad executions…

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              Ah Chris Matthews. He said they’d have public executions in times square if the reds won the cold war and heavily implied Bernie would cheer for it.

              They made him retire for a couple years, and I see he came back as a commentator on good ole Morning Joe apparently.

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            The DNC chair is the DNC…

            Martin has complete control for the next four years

            Like, you just legitimately do not understand what you’re talking about

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        I have zero faith in us having free and fair elections in 4 years but if we do then clearly the fascist threat has been vastly over blown and I’ll never cast a ballot for either major political party again.

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        Get ready for “we had to pass the $6T in tax cuts for the rich and corporations, simply nothing we could do!” 🤑

        It is imminent.

        They are robbing us absolutely blind here, and using the tariff chaos as cover.