I only want to use it for facebook marketplace, but jeez i didnt know they were taking it this far with this crap…
I wouldn’t know - quit using meta products years ago!
Fuck Facebook. Anyway, i prefer social media that doesn’t doxx me
Good things this won’t affect anyone with more than a single functioning brain synapse.
Facebook has new users?
the facial pictures
I am sure the plan is to eventually roll this out to everyone.
I really need a car and to sell some shit I’m not using for money, that site is so hostile I said fuck it, facebook market place isn’t worth it. whose got a worth while alternative?
In the UK, auto-trader is used to sell used cars. I guess eBay or Gumtree (if it still exists) to sell stuff?
Check local alternatives. I use Bazos (though it’s only has support for Slovakia, Czechia, Poland and for Austria)
Craigslist still has people on it, if you learn how to filter out the scammers.
Why use Facebook at all.
Marketplace has killed most other local trading stuff sites. Craigslist is still limping along, but has far less available at higher prices than FBMP. I’m happy to hear of viable alternatives, especially for used vehicles, tools and equipment. I’ve saved a lot of money on my business and hobbies that way, but would leave in a heartbeat if there’s a real competitor.
Through no fault of my own, the people I talk to (family) are tied to the FB ecosystem…and they are very resilient as to leaving it.
2026 will have to be the year of “please, for the love of all that is holy, can we switch to Signal”
I only want to use it for facebook marketplace
Aside from the already-mentioned marketplace, social networks like FB are fit well for localized giveaways. Where I am, the local analog of FB has groups where bakeries and cafes give out food remaining at the end of the day.
One population that this particularly pertains to are homeless people. Some folks get surprised when a homeless person has a smartphone, but it’s a means for finding help and resources.
local analog of FB
That sounds lovely!
I mean a platform that’s used in my country. It’s still centralized, and the practices are not much better, probably only because they haven’t yet gotten around to all the same shady shit.
Marketplace is the one and only reason I havent deleted my account. It sucks but it is by far the best way to buy and sell.
How does it compare to nextdoor & craigslist?
Craigslist is better for finding apartments and roommates as well. Also finding handymen or off the books workers of any type.
Marketplace is good for used tools, selling stuff, buying stuff.
Nextdoor is a cesspool, populated by paranoids that find each other and reinforce their delusions, calling the police on “strangers,” fielding grand conspiracies, and otherwise talking trash without cause.
Perhaps it depends on the quality of moderation for your Nextdoor area. But those issues you listed are separate from the buying/selling part of it anyway. I’ve generally found Nextdoor & Craigslist to be sufficient.
In my area Craigslist is actually better for selling vehicles or say boats, but thats about it. Nobody uses nextdoor around here, so you dont get much traffic.
I tried to find something on marketplace a month ago. Dozens of posts because it’s a super common item, all posts were a week or less old. None were legitimate. Every one was a scam, responses all leading to bullshit websites to buy, or users that never responded.
Has to get the item on Ebay instead because apparently they actually have basic scam prevention systems in place while Facebook apparently doesn’t have shit.
eBay is horrific for actually finding something. The fact that you can’t search for something inside a category blows my mind. And then no one completes the forms correctly so even if you add filters you still get shown a bunch of shit that doesn’t fit. Then the sorting appears to be just random. Good luck finding anything locally that way, because then eBay doesn’t get paid. Better pony up the extra money for shipping.
I use Craigslist with some success.
Marketplace can be good for local deals and I can’t fault anyone for taking advantage of that
Yeah I use it extensively for this.
If it asked me to verify and I couldn’t use someone else’s face it would be a tough decision.
One of the only good uses of Gen AI.
That being said, it’s best to avoid any Big Tech products altogether if at all possible, even if Marketplace is incredibly purvasive.
That’s a generalisation.
We have twins, 2 years old.
With kids there’s loads of “stuff” that just makes the whole ordeal a lot more livable. Being able to buy all that stuff on facebook and re-sell for the same price has saved us a heap of money. Like thousands.
It’s easy to say “oh well you should use whatever alternative platform”, but honestly there’s just no other ready market for this stuff.
how are you guys curving their invasive dark patterns? They are dead set on forcing you into their bullshit to use marketplace.
No idea. Never been asked for any verification.
You will if they don’t face any competition. I haven’t either yet, but everyone will, because they are maximizing revenue.
Remember that folks are using ‘Garry’s Mod’ to circumvent UK’s facial recognition requirement.
Surprisingly, Craigslist is rather active in my area. It’s still not as active as marketplace, but it makes it possible to get by without having an FB account.
It’s just not really a thing here in Australia. I just checked and in my state (about 2 million people) there’s a dozen ads or so across all categories.
A distant second to facebook marketplace is gumtree. I just had a look to see how popular that is and their site just seems to be down. Shits fucked really.
I use Gumtree instead of marketplace pretty regularly and I’ve not had an issue. In fact, I’ve found the quality of the interactions to be much higher, far fewer time wasters.
Yeah.
I think gumtree is better for different types of items.
My sister is a dog breeder and lists exclusively on gumtree to avoid the idiots on facebook.
The vast majority of stuff bought and sold from our household is low value toddler gear. fb marketplace is awash with that stuff and when you list something for the right price it’s gone by the end of the day. It’s true that there’s some time wasters but you get better at kinda managing the great unwashed.
My partner doesn’t care about the privacy issues and will never delete her fb account so maybe for the time being I can just use her account.
In 12 months or so we will be well past the worst of the “toddler gear” and I’ll be happy to leave fb behind for good.
It is addiction just like any other. I felt like I can’t quit it, I feel like I will lose connection with the friends and family that is still using it. That it keeps me informed and other BS.
After deleting it on 2nd try (after navigating the maze to delete, they gave 30 days to change mind, hoping I won’t be able to resist and will log in. And of course I couldn’t resist the first time and logged back in) I realized that I haven’t lost anything of value and the people that I still matter I have other ways to contact.
It was just an illusion.
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Text to speech?
Swipe keyboard.
I see less from old loved ones by not having it, but that’s ok, it makes catching up an activity. It’s fun to share the exciting things of the past year or two with my family and friends when I see them.
I deleted my facebook account in 2022 and have essentially not been contacted by friends since, so there’s that
:(
Have you tried to contact them outside of FB?
Perhaps you’re just not friends.
I moved to a new town recently. People don’t give out their phone numbers to connect. They give out their FB and Instagram accounts. Not having either is perceived as weird.
Hope this helps.
You’re in a fucked up town., and that attachment to the platform is more fucked up.
Unfortunately that’s like most people outside.
Facebook is something most people have and use to connect because most people don’t care about the privacy invasions or manipulative algorithms. It’s a fucked up world, not a fucked up town.
It’s all fucked up but that’s just reality.
That doesn’t help. Also when’s the last time you moved your life?
I already said I recently moved. I’ve moved 3 times in the past 10 years and it’s all the same. Maybe people used Snapchat or Instagram more often than Facebook when I was younger but it’s all the same privacy invasive shit.
The majority tolerate it, that’s why Meta is so successful as a company.
Hope this helps.
Same happen to me and I realized that where not my friends! The question someone asked me then, was how many of them would remember your birthday?
Phone numbers + messaging apps is good way to stay connected.To me, I dont care if my friends remember my birthday. I care if they are genuine friends and I have good conversations and laughs around them.
Someone remembering your birthday is just them putting a reminder in the calendar. Doesnt mean much, not to me at least.
So you have an actual human connection to these people? Friends could have a laugh over forgetting someones birthday, because its built on a real connection that doesnt go away over missing the small things.
I have mixed feelings. Setting aside that Meta is a trash company, I wish no one used it, but unfortunately, it has replaced Craigslist in the US.
I see A LOT of fake accounts on facebook. I’ve seen people I know get all their photos stolen and used to scam men online. I’ve seen random clones of other accounts for people I know slinging crypto scams.
Facebook needs to do something about that. There are too many media illiterate people on Facebook to do nothing.
That said, I’d rather this not be the way they handled it.
You describe a lot of terrible experience but also explain that it is a necessity because it has replaced Craigslist.
I’d assume one can manage without an online marketplace when given conditions like these?
I too miss the Facebook marketplace but I wouldn’t give in to all this crap just to have access to it
Facebook is acutely aware of the scams and actively encourages it.
I mean, it’s right in the name, took them long enough to demand your face for their book.
Have been for a while. Decided to try to make a fake Facebook account mid-laat year to use marketplace since it’s the dominant platform in my area. As soon as I saw this I just closed the browser tab.
I had an account but deleted it years ago, during covid my kids school put a lot of information on their Facebook account so I tried making a new account. Facebook told me there wasn’t enough proof I was real, so I made a fake account with a super common name, they were fine with that. So now I have a Facebook account that I occasionally use to repost sports articles,I have zero interest in sports but my guy seems to like them.
Other me wants his own social media accounts as well.
Did you sign up for the failed you and generic other you accounts from the same electronic device, the same IP? They should be able to tell it’s the same person that is pretty weird.
Honestly I don’t remember, but I don’t really use anything else to fill out forms so I probably used my pc I did make him a Google account before setting up his Facebook, he does have a picture of himself but it was made by ai I just used his info from Facebook as the prompt.
Well, just uploaded a photo of someone else now it says this…
That means Facebook already knows what you look like. Otherwise they couldn’t have known you submitted the wrong photo.
Or it knows who the other person is
both. and all your friends and ‘friends’, too.
Here’s a word of advice: do not use that sack of shit company for anything. Always use decentralized alternatives wherever possible
What is the decentralized alternative where all the people in my city are?
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It’s called network effect and it’s the reason why most people are forced to use WhatsApp or Facebook
I signed up for friendica, after 2 decades of having never used facebook.
It’s blank, and I don’t know what I’m supposed to do.
I can’t comment on what the facebook experience is, but I imagine they don’t just dump you onto a blank white page, with zero explaination.
Note that I am NOT defending or endorsing facebook. I’m just saying the decentralized services have work to do before they can fully be reccomended.
I also recently signed up for pixelfed. It took 3 days to login the first time. And I’m still not sure what the point of collections is. But I did upload 4 pictures.
It’d be a shame if someone use AI to generate an image to upload. You’d just be feeding AI data into AI, and that could ruin what Facebook’s trying to do.
a lot of the big names in image generation fingerprint the images they output to make them easy to filter out of training data. theres a possibility they could detect this fairly easily.
Is that the sort of thing that would survive screenshotting and messing with the color balance?
Or even taking a picture of the screen using a phone
I’m not familiar with the exact techniques used but I am aware that there are ways of fingerprinting images that would survive such transformations.
Or just upload a picture of the unabomber.
It’s been like that for quite a while. I remember deleting all big-tech accounts in 2019, and shortly after, Facebook started requiring login for full public page access. Therefore I created a burner account using a ‘this person does not exist’ picture, which provided me short-lived access after manual review. For account recovery, I was required to supply additional selfies (or even video-selfies?), but at that point I gave up.
THIS!
I tried this to get an account. This was back in 2021. My account was deleted immediately. Probably a mixture of name and face. Maybe. But F that.
Yeah, I think they employ a pretty sophisticated bot detection algorithm. I vaguely remember there being this ‘make 5 friends’ objective, or something along those lines, which I had no intention of fulfilling. If a new account, having triggered the manual reviewing process, doesn’t adhere to common usage patterns, simply have them supply additional information. Any collateral damage simply means additional data, to be appended to Facebook’s self-profiling platform… I mean, what else would one expect when Facebook’s first outside investor was Palentir’s Peter Thiel?
One wit responded to such requests for ID by sending in a picture of an id with pharoh ramsey’s mummy’s picture, birthdate thousands bc.
I never agreed to give them my personal information. My emails forced me to, locking me out of accounts I needed to access.
I now found alternative email that doesn’t need a phone number or linked other email. I am quitting every site that tried to force me to link my phone number, real name, likeness, id, address, anything like that, without a valid reason.
Amazon just demanded I verify my account again, same ip, same account I’ve used for years. Verifying under the email I abandoned for forcing my phone verification periodically, that would lock me out of my accounts if I lost my phone or it’s service. Trying to make good on my threats to quit them too.
My emails forced me to, locking me out of accounts I needed to access.
Microsoft had me fill this form, to “prove” I was the rightful owner of the account, after some suspicious login-attempts from an African country. The form included fields like: name (I don’t think I supplied at creation, or a false one), other email addresses, previous passwords (which potentially yield completely unrelated passwords), etc.; only for the application to be rejected and locking me out of my primary email for a full month. After that outright violation, I immediately switched to Disroot, and haven’t had any of said problems ever since. I backup all its contents locally using Thunderbird, and delete the origins from the server afterwards.
Many platforms have this messed up dark pattern, of revoking one’s access to a real-world dependencies, unless giving in to the service’s demands. Enforcement of 2FA is another one of those “excuses” for this type of misbehavior, and so is bot-detection.
Last time I used facebook they required me to send in a legal ID after a couple months of being registered, which locked me out of my oculus quest 2 headset back when they required facebook accounts and weren’t called meta.
“they required you”
Have you never thought that you can actually NOT do these things?
I mean, sure, maybe you had a good reason and you felt it was fine. But I wonder how many people just do what the screen tells them without realizing they can actually say no and be ok with the consequences.
Well I didn’t send it in. I just got oculus support to separate my facebook account from my oculus account, which at the time new standalone oculus accounts were not able to be created. So I found the only loop hole to make a new standalone oculus account.
This account was eventually migrated to the meta account system and still works while my facebook account still doesn’t work.
