This is actually brilliant. Taking their own bad faith verbal gymnastics and shoving them back in their faces like a cream custard pie.
A creampie you say?
Aw hell no. Do NOT play any active role in the procreation of these people, please.
Not that they won’t keep on procreating on their own, regardless. This is the kind of people who tend to want their women always in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.
It’s so fking satisfying! I had to let my eyeballs just bask in that one, for a minute.
No gods matter
Our gods are dead. Ancient Klingons killed them millenia ago. They were more trouble than they were worth.
My god is an Eldritch horror,
He sleeps on the ocean floor,
With hatred, death and fear,
My god is an Eldritch horror.
Sometimes he comes up for coffee with friends.
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If Christians can read, they’d be very upset.
But seriously, this is one of many reasons why I became agnostic. There are many religions that believe in completely different deities and claim their own version of reality is the truth. Since religions do not conform with each other, then it is likely there is no god as presented by current mainstream religions. Even a medieval European philosopher (I can’t remember the name) thought this before many of us did.
They don’t even have to be completely different deities! Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, etc all worship the same God. But apparently not worshipping it in the correct way will send you to hell.
I’m a Christian for the Sects!
I thought Mormons worship an alien that was given his own universe.
That’s scientology I think. Morons think Jerusalem was in Missouri or something
Mormons believe their god was once a man and was ‘exalted’ through what they call ‘eternal progression’ into a god. They claim that by being a good Mormon, popping out a bunch of Mormonlings, tithing to the church, not asking any hard questions, wearing your magic underwear, and, I don’t know, fucking a magic hat or something, you too can become a god!
My wife is an ex-Mormon, she explains it better.
There is an amazing tv series called Ancient Aliens from History channel that can explain it all 😅
So we can dilute the truth about gravity of we keep coming up with other theories about gravity?
If we come up with new theories about gravity, it would be on the foundation of already existing concepts and theories. + Gravity is observable and demonstrable, “apple falls down” will apply no matter our theories on gravity.
Having multiple gods is more akin to “this apple will fall up” and “this apple will fall left” instead of “this apple will fall down somehow”.
But really it goes back to there is no concrete proof of God, but there is concrete proof of gravity so you can’t really compare the 2.
How are we sure that gravity isn’t due to a flat earth being accelerated upwards? Maybe it’s an elastic string existing in the ether that pulls objects together? What if all matter is composed of very tiny colonial organism that try to move towards each other to create a super organism? Apples falling left or right is preposterous, but we do have things that fall upwards, like balloons and bubbles. What if there is a divine being that just decides how everything moves. Gravity being a side effect of mass bending spacetime really seems like some B plot sci-fi bullshit.
Edit: what I’m trying to convey here, is that a disbelief of something being true simply because there are multiple other beliefs or explanations isn’t a solid ground to stand on. What is true or real is irrespective of humanity’s explanations.
In relativity, the surface of the earth kind of is being accelerated upwards. It’s not flat, it’s spherical, but if put in a box with no way to observe outside, there is no test that can prove you’re not being accelerated upwards. This is because there actually isn’t a real difference. There could be elastic strings. In fact, certain unproven theories (that could supercede relativity and the standard model) imagines all fundamental forces, including gravity, as strings.
The biggest thing is that many versions of religion make claims that consistently contradict observable reality. A ton of people have religious ideas that have already been contradicted by science, while many more have ideas that can be proven wrong as science progresses. Some people do have religious ideas that might never be proven wrong in principle, but the biggest reason they can’t be falsified is because they don’t say anything about our material reality that can’t be said with simpler theories. Basically, if the idea has no consequence on what exists in this world, why should we use it to guide our beliefs?
There are a countless number of ideas about what Gods outside our universe might want us to do. Just as easily as a Christian God might exist that takes copies of our mind and puts us in eternal heaven after death if we display Christian virtues in life, a God might exist that rewards only the cruelest and most murderous people with heaven. It might be that the worst people are rewarded by God and the best people punished. Should we murder others and never show kindness to other people if the God that can give us eternal life wants us to? According to people that justify their morals with God and heaven, we must.
As someone that most religious fundamentalists would burn at the stake, this is not a hypothetical. The religious right often thinks justice and fairness is a vice, while God demands his believers destroy the unnatural. If you only look at what they advocate, you’d think they worship the evil, anti-Christian God I came up with. Yet they claim Christ wants them to prevent me from living. Ethics cannot be reasonably justified on the basis of religion. We must look elsewhere to discover what is right and wrong.
The biggest thing is that many versions of religion make claims that consistently contradict observable reality.
Finally, someone gets it!
the surface of the earth kind of is being accelerated upwards.
That would imply that gravity is a function of volume instead of mass. Yes?
No. I’m not going to pretend to understand the math, but the reality has more to do with other forces resisting the pull of gravity. Gravity simply says that you’re pulled towards the center of the earth, but the other fundamental forces are necessary to explain why you don’t get there. Various repulsive forces resist the pull of gravity, like the fact that certain particles resist occupying the same space. The reason you’re basically being accelerated upwards is because the repulsive forces keeping the earth from collapsing into a singularity keep you from being at rest. When you’re on the surface of a planet and not in free fall, you experience the feeling of weight, because you’re not truly at rest.
The way to picture it is space constantly falling inward towards the net source of gravity. If you’re in free fall towards a planet’s surface, you’re actually at rest in relativistic terms. However, because the mass of the planet warps spacetime, you staying at the same spot in space results in you and the source of gravity reaching eachother at some point in time. Neither you or the other object are actually being pulled together by a force, the way both you and the object warp spacetime results in you occupying the same point in space at a future point in time without anything changing your momentum.
When you’re experiencing the sensation of weight, that isn’t really some force of gravity, but an illusion originating from the forces that keep the ground from giving way beneath you, combined with inertia.
This just sounds like a free body diagram but more complicated.
I have zero interest in truth. Science is about shutting up, calculating, and model building. If demons making things fall better explained the data of gravity that would be the model, but as of right this moment a demon based model is a poor one.
Well, if something can be demonstrably true or false, then we can get concrete answers. Gravity is proven. There is no evidece–so far-- of tiny organisms controlling matter. Religion, on the other hand, could not be falsified in the scientific sense. Many religious claims have been disproven or could not even be proven. Unless you’re a Mormon, we all know Jesus didn’t come to America. There is no evidence of Red Sea parting according to archaeological studies. Someone claiming to seeing ghost right now, how can that even be proven or disproven? Edit: actually, Brian Cox made a great point that since we created a machine that could detect particles that is billionth of a size smaller, we still have not detected any signs of ghostly presence. It’s a convincing point and to me, it sounds like he did debunk ghosts.
If I had to pick one thing in woo that had an even small chance of being true it would be ghosts. Just given the sheer volume of cultures that have reported them. Maybe 5% chance while skydaddy has a 4% chance.
I know Jesus Matters great guy.
“End refugee detention” would also be a good slogan, but I feel it might be lost on them.
I know a Jesus as well, also a great guy. Runs his own HVAC business and has a daughter with the same first name as one of my daughters. We game together.
What Jesus would do against Gorr ?
Meanwhile when it comes to the poor No Lives Matter.
But on the other hand, Jesus totally does not matter.
