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We need to support and embrace this kind of games and studios more. They put so much love and effort into the game. But in the end, this game will probably profit as much as what Fortnite make in a couple months.
It’s always sadden me to know that even something as successful as Elden Ring, which sold 20 millions copies and made 1.2 Billion dollars, is nothing compared to what microtransactions make in games like CoD (2 Billion dollars per year) or Fortnite (over 5 Billion dollars per year).
And people complain why they “don’t make good games anymore”.
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Pokémon is regularly one of the best selling games out there, so saying most people don’t want turn-based RPGs doesn’t sound right.
Pokemon is so much less complex than BG3. It’s a bad comparison. If you exclude competitive pokemon, which 99% of people never engage with.
I consider computer RPGs to be more in the vein of tactical RPGs rather than Pokemon/Final Fantasy style turn based RPGs tbh. It’s turn based, but positioning is key. Or, at least they scratch the same itch for me.
And Fire Emblem, XCOM, FF Tactics, etc have never exactly had mind blowing sales.
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In some ways I agree they are pretty different, but fixating too much on particularities while glossing over core mechanics is a bit strange. We have space for a plethora of FPSs and action games of different styles, why are turn-based RPGs dismissed like this on a regular basis? Every gen or so we have yet another reminder that, yes, people do still like RPGs.
Baldur’s Gate may not have all ages cutesy characters, but D&D-style fantasy has its own appeal.
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These things don’t necessarily follow one from another. Just because many fans are casual players, it doesn’t mean they don’t have a liking for the genre. D&D is not inherently repealing to the same group either. As much as Baldur’s Gate targets an adult audience, Pokémon as a series is over 25 years old, there is a sizable number of adult players. Not only there is an overlap, the differences may make it appealing to players with differing interests too.
Mind you, I am an adult Pokémon fan who plays D&D. As much as I understand that not everyone is like me, it’s not like Pokémon fans all evaporate when they hit 18, or they never again care for turn-based games.
Ultimately, the success of the game vindicates that there are people who want that.
There’s definitely some overlap. Almost all D&D players have played at least one pokemon game at this point. Hell even us old M:TG holdouts that thought that “Pokemon was for kids” when it came out when we were teens played Pokemon GO, though I know enough to know that PG wasn’t really a pokemon game.
I will admit that D&D players still make a minority of Pokemon players, but I maintain that’s mostly because people think D&D is way more complicated than it actually is. The rule books don’t help here. In all actuality most players will never read most of those books, because 90% of the “rules” won’t apply to your game.
Are you really gatekeeping a video game
No, but they’re both turn based rpgs?
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Good thing is, it runs flawless on my Linux desktop too 👍 Just one of the best games I played in years. Good it payed out for larian to invest so much time into it. Maybe a good example for others that you do not need to rush a launch.
I love Lemmy. Geeks are everywhere. Linux is everywhere.
Seeing “runs flawless on my Linux desktop” on a gaming community is awesome! :)
Steam Deck is changing PC gaming. The better Steam Deck gets, the better gaming on Linux becomes. There are dozens of us.
Can we all take a moment to appreciate Proton? Shit is basically magic as far as I’m concerned.
GE-Proton too, that dude does good work.
I remember when years ago I launched Payday 1 and oh dude - 3D objects where white lines only, no textures, and 2-3fps. Things progressed quickly since DXVX project started. <3
I can also mention that it works flawlessly on Linux even with the GoG version (still through proton). It’s uncommon for such games to be on GoG day one, and I wouldn’t have bought it otherwise.
Oh nice, I went with GOG as well and was wondering if I’d be able to get it running on Linux.
Most GoG games can be run through steam/proton, but it’s a bit tedious. I’m guessing that there are better approaches than what I do, which is to
- Download install files from GoG. For BG3 it’s like 27 or so files and one setup executable. Place all of them in the same folder
- Add the install executable from 1. as a “Non steam game”. Through the “Games” -> “Add non-steam game to my Library”.
- Edit the entry from 2. and add compatibility. (Right click and “properties”. “Compatibility” and check the “Force the use of a specific Steam …”. I used Proton 8.0.3
- Run it, and complete the installation. The install allows you to run the game directly, but don’t do this. Just exit it after finishing the install.
- Locate the wine installation for the game. Something like “/home/<$USER>/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/pfx/drive_c/GOG Games/Baldurs Gate 3/bin/bg3.exe”
- Edit the entry again from 2., set a nicer name. And the adjusted path above as the TARGET. And full path of the bin-directory it’s in, in quotes, in START IN.
You should be able to run it as a normal steam game. I’ve done this with all gog games I own without much issues. Though, I usually check if it works on protondb.com before I buy it.
If anyone stumbles upon this comment, I would also mention that you can install any subsequent update in the same way, by editing the entry to the update file(s), run the update executable, and then edit the entry back.
Why do you use Proton instead on WINE? I’ve never tried, so I’m curious if I should look into it.
Proton is WINE on steroids, I haven’t used it for a while, but ever since proton came out it’s been a much smoother experience, at least for the sample size of me.
It is not recommended to use Proton outside of Steam. Use Wine + DXVK instead for GOG.
Good to know, thanks!
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It isn’t native, but it works very well. It uses Vulkan.
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It does compile shaders
unfortunately, my system seems to need to compile the shaders before I start the game if it’s the first time I’ve started the game that steam session.
That’s awesome. Also the lack of micro transactions makes me want to support them more. I kinda wish they had a donate button or something.
The donate button is buying the game and their previous titles.
Especially Divinity 2: Original Sin.
Buy the DRM free version on GOG if you haven’t already.
Sorry, dumb question, what’s GOG?
It is another digital game store owned by CD Project, parent company of company that made the Witcher series and Cyberpunk 2077. They originally started by selling old games that they would get running on newer OSes. They have since started selling new games and have an alright launcher that you can link to other stores to see your entire game collection.
Most importantly, GOG as a storefront does not allow DRM. If you buy a game on GOG and keep the installer around (on a drive that’s regularly backed up), you’ll always have the ability to play that game even if GOG’s servers die.
Gog.com Alternative games with some focus on old games.
The digital deluxe upgrade is basically that. You get some bonus stuff like extra bard songs, some cosmetics I think and the official Soundtrack. Stuff like that.
Is the soundtrack in the game files I assume? I haven’t seen it yet, and I can’t seem to get the dice skin to work so I wondered if I even got the deluxe edition for a moment.
I almost never buy a game on opening day for full price. But fuck microtransaction nonsense – as soon as the devs made an official statement about it, I was on board.
Day 1 dlc.
And?
The key is that nothing in that DLC is needed to win the game. In fact, the only real game advantage at all is some camp supplies. The rest is art, character sheets (they’re PDFs), and the soundtrack. It also allows Larian to throw a little extra at the early adopters who bought the game in early access.
“Day 1 dlc” means nothing without context. Not all DLC is pay-to-win.
It’s also not egregious where you get a piece of a game, then have to finish out with dlc. It’s one thing if you get a full game, then some optional add-ons. But we can’t trust the “AAA” game makers to do that. Too much greed.
I bought it only because of their stance on microtransactions.
It wasn’t really on my radar because turn based rpgs are not my thing.
I saw their press release and figured just for that upfront refusal to try rip everyone off to make money was good enough for me to buy the game and try it out.
I love dnd so it can’t be bad
You could always buy a second copy to gift to a friend. Then you’d be able to play together on top of giving them another sale!
Gift me and I’ll enjoy it 😉
I’m open to the idea.
steamcommunity.com/id/renegade1506 if you’re not joking!
Also they published the game on GOG - so it’s DRM free!
You could request they offer something small…maybe cosmetic…within the game that you could buy to support them.
I love headlines like this.
Larian makes such great games. This kind of success means maybe a BG4 somewhere down the line.
So… I’m the only one not playing it?
what are you even doing right now that’s so important
Being lazy
Yes
Don’t worry, I’m too poor to play (weak ass laptop, game cost a bunch in my country, and work, and kids)
If it wasn’t for those pesky kids
Nope, I’m playing DOS2, since that’s been sitting in my steam library for way too long!
THEN maybe I’ll BG3. If my laptop can handle it…
Currently playing it too after a 3 year break. :)
Me too, but only because I’m waiting for the PS5 version.
Oh! That will be my excuse too. Didn’t realize it wasn’t on consoles yet.
I’m finishing D:OS2 first with another party. Also Larian games are always better a couple months or so after release, so I don’t mind waiting. So no not the only one :)
I’m waiting for it not to be 90 bucks, probably pick it up in a year
Dang. Here I thought we had it bad in CAD
There is still time to change that.
I have added the Baldur’s Gate series to my backlog, I will probably play these in 10-15 years, wish me luck.
Just in time for BG4! (probably)
Odd headline. Seems very rooted in the assumption of online gaming these days to me but then you get in and the article is basically just saying the game is a huge success, which is great news I’m sure we can all agree. :)
The game does have multiplayer. If it’s not using P2P connections, preparing for 100k players and having 700k could make that slower. But I’m pretty sure it’s P2P so that doesn’t make any difference.
There’s still going to be some server overheads in connecting players together initially (I don’t think it works just by IP), but yeah I think the game stuff itself is P2P.
The Steam Matchmaking API is included in their 30% cut. They can have 0 servers.
Really? What’s the benefit of going solo instead of paying the 30% thru steam.
If you’re launching on Steam you’re paying the 30% anyways.
If you publish elsewhere there’s a lot you have to build yourself, but it would allow more freedom in the way you implement it. It might also be cheaper, but that depends on the way you do things.
I’m not suggesting they do, just that it’s a feature Steam provides. I just didn’t want to call it free as they pay for it.
Obviously 30% higher revenue per unit is the benefit of self publishing.
Why is it a problem that IT was not prepared for so many concurrent players? Yes, it has multiplayer, but it’s mostly a single-player game. Did they pull a Diablo?
They didn’t pull a Diablo because you don’t have to wait in a login queue to play single player.
A lot of people are playing with their friends, not just alone
Is it not p2p and should barely matter?
Yeah players can drop in and out of games pretty fast plus there’s stuff like user authentication
And save games can be synced to the larian account. So you can continue your game on PS5… If you brought the game twice.
I absolutely adore and admire those at Larian studios. Divinity 2 is one of the best games I’ve ever played. I hope I can play BG3 one day since I don’t have the funds for a system that will run it or better yet, it becomes available on Geforce Now or something because I got a damn wedding to pay for and bills to pay!
As someone who has played Divinity Original Sin 2 and some of their older titles. You won’t be disappointed, BG3 is phenomenal. Interactions between characters has been massively improved that the added animated cut-scenes when speaking to characters gives them significantly more life. I think I still prefer the combat system in DOS2 but I don’t hate BG3 combat, it’s just different.
My buddy has been playing co-op with me using GeForce now and it’s worked great so far
This makes me so happy to read. Thanks
It seems this game has local coop? I was wondering if it was a nice experience for me and my GF
Yes, you can play on a LAN connection, offline assuming you both have your own PCs in the house. There is no split screen multilayer, yet. In fact, this is supposed to be the reason why only the PC version had it’s release date moved up. They didn’t see it as a requirement for the PC release and decided to work on the PS5 split screen issues, post PC release.
So PS5 will definitely have split screen functionality, and I suppose that might also go to PCs as well, but that’s just a guess on my side.
I was just playing split screen multiplayer on PC a couple days ago. Not sure where you heard that PC didn’t have it, if that’s what you’re implying. Seems to be working fine.
Do you need two copies of the game for that?
Using software called Parsec, you can use 1 copy of the game where the person who owns it streams it to your pc.
No
Thanks a lot for the summary! 🤗
That’s wonderful!
I wish my shitty ADHD-OCD mix brain would let me play it instead of doing shit through a system or something. I can’t even play anything I want to cuz I’ll feel bad that I’m not something the universe would want me to
You are a human. One of the things humans do is enjoy and have fun. It is in our programming. The universe wants you to enjoy and have fun.
Also, a big things humans do is endurance. Long term action and planning is kinda a thing we can do, while many other species specialize in rapid response. Taking the time to enjoy recharges our batteries so we can be more productive in the long long term.
Supporting systems that help others experience joy and fun (entertainment, the arts, sports recreation), through participation in ways that speak to you, helps all of us recharge our batteries. So our systemic endurance increases.
It’s ok to play. It’s necessary for our survival.
Mate, as soon as you get your shitty ADHD-OCD brain into it then you’ll be hooked. There’s plenty to keep you busy.
I’m so hoping my husband will play this with me when it comes out on Ps5. He rarely plays games with me - but this one is too fun is to pass up
Get excited. It plays stupidly well with a controller. I changed out my traditional pc desk setup for a recliner/TV setup and mouse and keyboard still get uncomfortable after not much time. Once I tried it with a controller… oh hell yes.
Ooh, yes, even more excited now! The recliner/TV setup seems perfect for this game imo. I bought an original Xbox a while ago just to play Dark Alliance the way I remembered playing back in the day, so this is going to be a huge treat either way
My friends keep telling me that getting the game is unethical because it supports Wizards, so I’ve not gotten it yet. I know Wizards is shitty and sent the Pinkertons to someone’s house, but does this game actually directly support them? Can anyone here weigh in on this? Should I just pirate the game instead? It looks fun, but I also don’t want to put my money in a bad place.
Sounds pretty wild to call it unethical to buy the game because of WoC (which isn’t even the one responsible for the game). I doubt their worst act even comes close to a normal Tuesday for a lot of companies you likely buy from, directly or indirectly.
You can look up Larian if you want, but they are far from a big game publisher the way EA or Rockstar is. And they are going against the trend of mtx or DRM. Pirate if you want, but using morals as an excuse for not wanting to spend money doesn’t really fly in this instance.
Larian is a fantastic company, Divinity original sin 1 and 2 both got massive free updates in the enhanced edition and definitive editions respectively, not to mention the mod-like grab bags they released. They’re great and I’m so oddly proud of their massive success with bg3
And no micro transactions…
I’m not familiar enough with licensing contracts of this nature to know whether there are royalties being paid out based on the number of copies being sold. But in the case of whether WotC is going to get paid again for another licensed Baldur’s Gate game in the future, that’s already a done deal. Sales from this point aren’t going to matter. It’s similar to how that became clear pretty quick in the case of Hogwarts Legacy.
D&D is among the most mature IPs in gaming. It’s not going anywhere, and Hasbro has it right now. The most effective thing you can do is support one of its competitors, like Paizo’s Pathfinder.
As for whether you should pirate it, something to weigh is that Larian is one of the good guys. This is an offline/single-player capable game, with no MTX.
I mean it’s definitely licensed d&d 5e content
Ok, so looking into it, WOTC owns the D&D license, which Larian Games had to licence. So, yes it indirectly supports WOTC. They don’t own a stake in the game studio, and therefore aren’t directly getting revenue from this games sales. They have already received the licencing fees they would be getting for this game. It does however help WOTC since they aren’t developing their own 6th edition games currently and keeps D&D relevant so in that way it does support them.
Personally I would find that a morally grey area, and will pirate the game to see if I will buy it on sale.
How is it morally grey? What factors makes it potentially unethical to buy a game from Larian? I don’t see an angle that wouldn’t immediately imply that it’s unethical to buy essentially any large company.
It’s the keeping D&D as a main part of the hive mind. I love D&D. Have played the first 3 editions. That being said, there are a ton more games out there, and it would be nice to watch D&D “die” again for a few years. See if WOTC is about to pull a TSR
Be careful, at least one version has a bitcoin miner. Look for fitgirl or rune.
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The reason is called money
What he means is that anyone can get clean files on GOG and then distribute those I think. No DRM or anything to clean up, so no need to rely on anyone to repackage it etc.
750k concurrent players several days after release, quite the feat!
