deleted by creator
This has always been a thing and is one on Lemmy too.
Are you talking about here? Or Reddit? I’ve definitely noticed some downvote trolling has been picking up here.
Here seems to be quiet, but it also feels empty. 5 memes a day is not enough for a bathroom break, and the total post count isn’t much higher, even when counting the US politics stuff that I as a hungarian have no interest in.
5 memes a day is not enough for a bathroom break
Ask your doctor for a stronger prescription.
5 memes a day? Are you kidding? I get tons in my feed.
I know it means nothing but, as an American, I’m sorry for the havoc our political system wreaks on your feed and on the world in general. We’re not thrilled about it either, typically.
You get reactions on your comments? Reddit is notorious at gaslighting you and never showing your comments (and even posts) to anyone but you and the people you’ve shared direct link to. It does this to something like tenth to third of your comments, depending on how civil you are.
Though, to be fair, it’s not even the worst at it. Youtube is where you go if you want to throw your thoughts directly into a black hole.
I find it so easy to ignore the votes because all I care about is engagement. IDGAF about the arrows. Talk to me. Tell me why I suck.
You suck because when you put a popsicle in your mouth, you don’t chew it, you lick it.
(/s of course, I have nothing against you :) )
real. That’s my problem, they don’t have opinions just one good button and one bad button.
It’s also a lot of bots. They are here too. For example, just say China plus something negative about them,
in a thread about China. Easiest downvoted one can get. Make sure it’s a fact and not whataboutism, to avoid contaminating the test.Okay: China sucks, they try to hide the Tianmen square massacre and the genocide of Uyghurs.
What makes you think it isn’t just real people?
It’s almost always instantly. Like sometimes second after posting. Then it either snowballs or it goes back into positive. But initially, be it on Lemmy or Reddit it happens. I’m not constantly complaining about China, the handful of times though, it’s super obvious. Doesn’t happen on other topics.
I mostly see them on political communities, but based on your downvotes, they might be getting out
It’s two downvotes (at least on lemmy.ml at this point in time). Is it hard to imagine that 2 out of 16 people could dislike seeing someone say that anything that doesn’t fit their narrative is the result of bots?
At the time of writing that comment, it was 2 - 2, with one upvote from me.
Is it still -2 for you though?
It has 19 upvotes with 2 downvotes at the moment, which is a much more realistic ratio than what it was.
That’s weird, because it also has 2 downvotes for me at the moment (which means it can’t be some weird federation issue), but assuming that you originally saw 2 downvotes before I came along, then something something can’t be right because I am one of the two downvoters and I only saw the comment some hours after your comment in this thread (judging from the timestamp of my comment) (or maybe I visited the post once, then came back to leave a comment?).
My dude, there are plenty of actual automated bots on Reddit. IIRC when Reddit cracked down hard on bot accounts recently, over half of users and participation in many subreddits also decreased. That alone says that there is artificial engagement on Reddit rather than genuine human interaction (which vindicates the dead Internet theory). It explains a lot as to why a very innocent and neutral comment somehow gets a downvote: they are just bots downvoting.
Even here in Lemmy, there are downvotes on the same benign comments and no explanation as to why someone would disagree. But even if the comment is political in nature, there are downvotes but no feedback as to why one would disagree. There is a post on c/climate on European Greens calling for Jill Stein not to run for US presidential elections because she would just siphon the votes from liberals and progressives even though she will not win. And many comments on that post are getting half or a third of downvotes, but there are no accompanying disagreeing comments to explain the disagreement. It is clear that there are bots in that post who are trying to downplay the repercussions of Stein running to US elections and democracy.
Some of us downvote without leaving a comment, that in and of itself isn’t indicative of bot activity.
A tap of a vote is low effort and easy.
I know some people down vote and don’t discuss, but it’s very strange in a political discussion when you don’t get a pushback but getting so many downvotes.
Id expect more voting and less comments in political posts just because people may want to avoid direct conflict with other users. I’m iffy on the whole up/down thing in general though.
I don’t really understand what you’re getting at.
People often downvote without posting a comment as explanation.
I’ve noticed lemmy users do this more than reddit.
The explanation is simply that they don’t like the vibe of what you’re saying but don’t know how to respond.
For example, I definitely see the decrease in frequency, or not at all, on Reddit philosophy getting into frontpage despite having millions of subscribers. Many posts from r/philosophy often would gain thousands of up votes landing them into the front page. However, since Reddit’s crack down on bot activities, I see r/philosophy posts getting only a fraction of the number of up votes they used to get, which makes almost none of the posts go into the front page. It is clear evidence that bots manipulate the votes.
I don’t know about you, but others also noticed completely innocuous and benign comments just getting a downvote. Before I would chalk it up to people just down voting for no reason or to downvote others to propel their own content at the expense of others; but after what transpired with Reddit’s crackdown on bot activities and user participation just so happened to decreased significantly? One would have to admit or acknowledge there is deliberate manipulation on what contents get to be seen or promoted long before and even as we speak.
I think you might be talking about vote fuzzing. This denies bots the ability to check whether they’re banned.
Votes shown are inaccurate by a few votes . You can’t check whether your vote was recorded by refreshing the page.
Lemmy*
Reddit hivemind has been a thing for the entire history of Reddit.
But not this strong. Since the fuck spez event, you can barely get any answers in the help subs, and you get instantly downvoted when you say something different. They once banned me from a subreddit and suspended me for 7 days from the entire platform because I said „No”. This place is much better, but it feels empty.
Don’t worry, it is empty and thats what makes it better.
Oh and there is already a hive mind mentality on Lemmy.
BTW, I think spez is bottotting shit to inflate reddit usage, and hive mind hijacking is a easy way to do so.
I haven’t seen the hivemind stuff here yet luckily. Also, what is „hive mind hijacking”, I haven’t heard about that before.
I think you might need to take a look at lemmygrad or hexbear, they are a hivemind.
And hijacking as in gathering the time between a certain number of votes (in general) and letting the bots they use vote as well and in a non obvious way. At least thats basically how I coded my reddit bots back in the days…
They might be blocked on lemmy.world, I haven’t ran into them in a long time. Also, thanks for the explanation!
They are, hexbear users were downright unbearable. (Heh)
Oh yeah, also their giga emote spams, but also just generally annoying.
I haven’t been on reddit for years but I always remember it having this problem. My first account was made just so I could get that /r/atheism circlejerk out of my feed.
I don’t know what it’s like now but keep in mind that in addition to the growth, reddit has been taken over by corporate interests. That, and the big increase in traffic, means it’s more of a target for botfarms and things of that nature.
Best way to avoid this problem is to just participate in the smaller niche subreddits in my experience.
In my country it just became an actual „political platform”, the opposition leader started hosting an official AMA today. Maybe like with all things, it’s just politics ruining everything.
Might depend on the sub but it’s always been part of my experience on reddit. I’ve already been downvoted to something like - 70 for explaining commonly misunderstood game mechanics cause I’m a nerd and when I really like a game I like to know how it works in detail. Those were easily verifiable facts.
Out of interest, which game was it?
Zombie mode from CoD. Most people play it casually but there is a handful of people trying to push the mode to its limit and I’m pretty much in-between those two groups, I lack the skill from the top players but I’m more dedicated and knowledgeable than the casual crowd.
That’s not specific to Reddit. That’s just how humanity behaves in large groups. We’re just too damn tribal.
POV : you say something moderately supportive of Palestine in the worldnews subreddit
Your first mistake was going to reddit.
It has lots of very active niche communities that lemmy just doesn’t have. If you really want them then you have pretty much no choice. It’s also still a very useful site for your browser searches because of the amount of information on it.
It was useful.
Still is, I regularly get great results from it.
True, using Google. But all this information was posted a while ago, usually at least year ago if not few years. This is my experience anyway.
The choice is to start a similar community here and start siphoning users.
I’m going to need a charisma check with double disadvantage on that. Good luck.
Many niche communities have more activity than lemmy itself or something rivaling lemmy. You’re missing my point about lemmy not having enough people. Lemmy is literally carried by few select posters. What’s worse is the fact that many communities straight up can’t be carried by 1 person because it’s for example a community for people’s personal stories and just copy/pasting it to lemmy would kill all nuance to it.
Can we get a sample of these “unpopular opinions”?
You seem to be pretty up voted on a regular basis except a few comments. In my humble opinion, most of them would not be explained by a specific reddit hive mind but rather classic moral panics. I mean, I’ve been campaigning my whole life for prison reform/abolition and that’s the typical kind of reactions I’ve got… irl. I suppose that’s just what you usually get when saying something which deviates from a specific state of public opinion.
Not trying to play ackshually, but there doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with your posts/comments, imo.
Thanks for the review!
thats so true. i once was downvoted to oblivion because i asked what the posted meme meant since it wasnt obvious
everyday
“Every day”, here, with the space.
Alot
Ain’t much better in here kid.
It is, here we have hopeTM
Really, really pessimistic hope though lol
Disney coming for you, for misusing their copyright!
oh no!
And instances can turn off downvotes!
Turning off downvotes is terrible. There should either be no voting, or up and down votes, with both displayed separately. This “upvote” only nonsense was created by corporate sites to make everything look popular for increased engagement, therefore increased ad views. No idea why Lemmy would follow that example.
I support downvotes too, even if it doesn’t look like it from the post. If it’s used correctly, it’s a really good system.
pretty sure because there’s a bunch of amateur porn communities, and people generally stop posting pics of themselves if they get downvoted.
so, since downvotes literally kill those communities, they added the ability to not display downvotes.
my only gripe with this is, that it’s apparently an instance-wide toggle, which is a bit inconvenient…
It’s the same here, except it’s tankies.
