Wait - so this is the CCP directly censoring a whole worldview from its citizens.
But I was told on several lemmy threads that the CCP lets their users consume any content, and all the censorship is American propaganda to make the great leader look bad.
No, this is not the CCP directly censoring a whole worldview from its citizens, this is the CCP directly allowing its citizens to see that worldview while some random author speculates based on nothing but rumors and hearsay that they might change that policy in the future.
But who needs to read past the title if it aligns with your presumptions?
This is some redditors speculating being turned into a news article…
Got any evidence for this censorship claim? I’ll even accept dubious screenshots.
Yeah sure it’s right here in the thread you’re in
The source of this article is “Some Reddit users have speculated” which is like the polar opposite of evidence soooooo try again.
There has been no official announcement that such a change is coming, but Reddit commenters speculated that possibly the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was requiring a change to stop American TikTokers from using the app to influence Chinese citizens.
Ugh why would you read the article? Did you not understand the assignment? So cringe.
A wee quote from the author of the original little red book …:
“the two slogans – let a hundred flowers blossom and let a hundred schools of thought contend – have no class character; the proletariat can turn them to account, and so can the bourgeoisie or others. Different classes, strata and social groups each have their own views on what are fragrant flowers and what are poisonous weeds”.Seemed a good idea at the time (1957?), remember how that trick evolved thereafter …?
This is a hilarious turn of events.
I knew it was coming since that article yesterday about us Americans posting vids of 3D printed guns lmao
Luigi is now the most popular name for newborns in China.
Please let this be true 🤣
Lu Yi-Gee
Imo it’s more sad than hilarious. US users and Chinese users meeting each other on the platform and discovering they are interesting people who actually have a lot in common sounds like what I’d wish the internet to be.
It’s not surprising, and I get the irony, but I feel more sad than amused.You know, the news about Chinese and American users comparing their worldviews seemed weird to me because it reads like this is the first time Chinese and American users have interacted and had the chance to talk “candidly”.
My first thought was, “Why the fuck is this news? It’s not like Chinese users can’t interact on American platfor—”
…oh. Right. The great firewall.
This was the turn of events anyone who knows anything about China and the CCP (and how closely they control businesses there) would have expected.
TikTok is banned in China, so why would anyone ever expect this would be different in this case?
They have Douyin (it’s a carbon copy of tiktok). Rednote released a public statement welcoming US users, no evidence that what this article implies is being considered at all. The evidence is a reddit post. You are responding in agreement to a propaganda rag.
They blocked the TikTok domain in China. What would you call that, if not a ban?
You are naive if you believe they aren’t going to sever the communities. That was always going to happen.
The only vibe I get from you is “15yo who just learned about politics”.
AN: read this user’s comment history lmao
Why don’t you answer the question?
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Why is it a different product then? Does it allow the same content? Same algorithm?
Or is it different, and not an actual carbo copy?
They’re gonna build a firewall, and the US is gonna pay for it!
China: we’re supposed to be doing the influencing here.
It amazes me how people apparently can’t live without watching shitty videos all the time… Oh, well.
It’s an addiction. No other way to describe it. Like your coke dealer ran out so you gotta switch to crack instead.
Man people will do anything not to drink Pepsi!
Except skip soda.
Ironically I stopped drinking soda because Pepsi got rid of the only soda I really liked.
RIP Diet Pepsi Vanilla.
Which one?
Rednote with multiple SIMULTANEOUS video feeds sounds like a whole new level of brain rot
Sorry what, you got a pic of this?
Read it here, hopefully not paywalled https://www.reuters.com/technology/chinas-rednote-what-you-need-know-about-app-tiktok-users-are-flocking-2025-01-15/
I feel exactly the same way. It’s like they can’t imagine a world without it. When it’s banned they’ll have to fill their time just staring at the wall.
It would be great if they switched to Zen Buddhism a few hours a day though.
Or, heaven forbid, talk to people in the real world.
I find takes like this unfortunate. I learned SO much on TikTok. Accounts like gatenerd, jerrythink, kellyscleankitchen, softpourn, publicopinion, hankgreen, alexisanddean, thelawsayswhat, kylascan, and countless interior designers, architects, chefs, and all the others I can’t recall.
There is no other platform like TikTok where you can get drawn in not just in minutes watched, but in knowledge gained. Wish you shared my experience.
I can understand your point until you get to the “there is no other platform like TikTok”. You lose me there.
Hopefully this little outage scare helps you to diversify!
Honestly, there isn’t another platform that isn’t a step down. The algorithm that drives the For You Page is leaps and bounds ahead of Instagram and YouTube.
The best analogy I can give is if Linux was banned for personal use in the US. Sure, you could use Windows or macOS; the later is even Unix based! However, it would be a downgrade for Linux users. Even something like FreeBSD wouldn’t be a seemless transition, and the communities that were built would take time to recover.
Reading can accomplish the same thing, although it is a skill that has to be developed.
Yeah, sure /s
I tried to challenge some ideas in World News and I guess asking questions about Chinese censorship is xenophobic. Now I’m banned for not being pro Chinese censorship.
I jive with you, Türkiye!
.ml
There’s your problem. If they stated their rules, rather than forcing people to figure them out by trial and error, I’d have less of an issue with it. Like, lemmygrad is explicit in its intent and they state it outright in their rules. Lemmy.ml plays it too coy, and so comes off as incredibly manipulative.
You just broke the secret law!
Typical fascist behavior.
Sounds very You have been banned from /r/Pyongyang
Rule 1 - whatever we decide it is at that moment
Oh gosh, I thought you meant .world World News for a minute there. Yeah the problem is .ml, they’re tankies.
whats that about “curry smell” and “they discovered deodorant”?
Those are other users’ comments. Not sure how those are relevant to JiveTurkey’s comments.
Not sure.
I wouldn’t take it seriously, they gave me a month long instance ban for saying a federal representative democracy is by definition a type of democracy.
“American propaganda” or something.
Is it democratic when the largest state and the smallest state both get two senators?
No, but it is a democracy.
Is it? Do you think the US was founded as a democracy?
God, shut up nerd, like your red fascist bullshit and their one party elections were or are better. Do you want to hear that it’s a flawed system? It is. All states are and should be abolished.
Still a type of democracy, and still more democratic than anything Russia or China have ever managed.
Uhhh yeah. The Constitution establishes a federal democratic republic form of government. That is, we have an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. It is a democracy because people govern themselves. It is representative because people choose elected officials by free and secret ballot.
Those sound like comments on a different topic, specifically the story about Paris’ improvements in air quality lately (because they built bike infrastructure and partially banned cars). I had to remove nearly identical comments in the !fuckcars@lemmy.world thread on it, for the same reason.
Well, there’s also the racism
Serious question. Did I say something racist?
Now that I look again, I see that you failed to filter the logs and some other user’s trash was in there.
Sorry. Didn’t realize that was an option.
You failed
You weren’t trying to challenge ideas. You were regurgitating US propaganda.
Just asking questions instead of excusing it all under the guise of propaganda. I have no doubt some of it is, but all of it?
When our government has a long history of direct lies it’s safe to assume everything they say is a lie.
I don’t think that’s ever safe to assume and ignore critical thinking
My man, I am really curious where you get your news from.
Instead of regurgitating CCP propaganda?
Americans: Got damn, asians are HOT
Chinese (apparently): Got damn, Americans are HOT
Humans gonna human ig LMAO
It really is a tale as old as time.
When the femboy exchanges begin happening the world will finally begin to heal
It’s what connects us all.
Mongolia?
Nokia
Russia
Is this some biological instinct to ensure gene diversity?
Maybe. We should be attracted to people different to us for the healthiest babies
The grass is always greener I guess
Asian “grass” is usually darker.
So if having an Asian fetish is called yellow fever in the West, what’s having a Caucasian fetish called in China?
I had a few dates with an asian woman in the US who called herself only half-sarcastically a “Twinkie,” which the Internet told me was yellow on the outside and white on the inside. I laughed to be polite not knowing what she meant, but when I learned it made me feel racist by proxy.
Maybe she meant cream filled?
what if that was her trying to hint at what she wanted, and they completely missed it
Lactose tolerant?
Fuxking a man, you win.
White lightning
Cracker addiction
Marshmallow s’more
The irony.
Even international spy networks are worried about American kids.
RedNote’s Chinese name, Xiaohongshu, literally translates to “Little Red Book,” which seems like a direct reference to a book of quotes from Chinese communist leader Mao Tse-tung. But The Washington Post reported that the app is designed to be apolitical and its co-founder, Mao, maintains that the name instead pays “homage to the colors of his college,” Stanford Business School, and his former employer, Bain Capital.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeetthefuckouttahere!
You wouldn’t expect anyone named Mao to be political, so that checks out. His brothers Lenin and Stalin are equally apolitical.
“Homage to the fact that they’re going get what’s coming”
Lulz
Can’t have them getting ideas like tolerance for minorities.
From Americans?
Not from America. America is full of hatred towards minorities.
Oh come off it mate. It’s not hard to see where the US has lead the charge in topics such as LGBT+ rights or racial equality, and it wasn’t from Asia or Europe let me tell you that much.
They may have a shit ton of flaws, and have a large part actively trying to undo all their work, but they have still done so much positive.
Look at the timeline for marriage equality for instance, they were right up there with the first wave leading the global surge. That doesn’t happen if you’re full of hatred for them.
They’re a dichotomy of amazing social progressivism and brutal conservatism.
I didn’t say there were no positives from America did I? I didn’t rank where America stands in how progressive or conservative America is.
I said America is full of hatred towards Minorities with no comparison to another place.
I am not wrong. There is too much of it.
So “come off” what exactly?
Decep is right.
Not from America. America is full of hatred towards minorities.
You’re basically implying the bad outweighs the good to the point that it won’t give them any ideas.
The bad may be very amplified now, but I think the TikTok crowd in particular and US history skews towards “majority good”
I didn’t imply that. Stating that there is too much hatred of minorities doesn’t mean that America fails at everything. That is a stretch. Me pointing out that America has a lot of hatred towards minorities isn’t a reflection of everything America does as a whole is inherently bad.
I didn’t say that America can’t have a good influence on another country. America isn’t one to look to especially now for how minorities are treated.
I said America is full of hatred towards Minorities with no comparison to another place. I am not wrong.
But you are wrong. The US doesn’t hate its minorities in general. The US hates the poor in specific.
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The same goes if you replace “billionaire” with “poor”. If you are rich, you are welcome. That’s your only qualifier. If you are poor, you are trash. That is your only qualifier.
I don’t think that’s entirely true and Thiel will learn that lesson sooner or later. Arguably already has as he was rumored to have been pissed about all the anti-trans rhetoric and throttled spending, which is why Elon had to step up and shell out.
Now Musk is in the driver seat with a grudge he hasn’t paid back from PayPal and Thiel’s in danger of finding out after fucking around.
When I say America I mean the people of America. There are large numbers of folks, regardless of why they do, hate minorities.
I didn’t say the wealthy “elite” weren’t the cause of a lot of the divide. They absolutely are. No such thing as an ethical billionaire.
I’m not disagreeing with you on the fact that your financial status isn’t what really separates us. What I am saying is there is still too much hate towards minorities. That doesn’t change that the wealthy are a problem.
You’re taking two separate ideas and merging them into one “truth.”
They ate two separate topics. Just because the wealthy are guilty of the bad they are doing doesn’t take away the fact that there is too much hate towards minorities in America from the people that live here.
This timeline?
Where the US is nearly the last of any western nation to legalise gay marriage?And isn’t your country actively trying to work back any progress you’ve had in the last decade? Trans rights, queer rights, women’s rights, minority rights.
Also isn’t it Americans who are pushing the most for anti-LGBT legislation in African countries?
Canada is falling down the same hill when it comes to trans rights, and it hurts me, but I’m not out here saying that Canada is any sort of leader in the field. I recognise the issues my country has and I’m going to fight to fix them.
Knock off the American exceptionalism for one second and deal with the problems your country has
Mahatey, it’s not my fucking country or American exceptionalism because I’m not American eh?
This timeline:
And you’re a fucking idiot if you don’t think Canada is not one of the best places in the world for rights. Go take a holiday to 90% of the world and let me know how they treat women or queers.
Didn’t realise you weren’t American, sorry for assuming. Admittedly I’m very jaded right now (and a bit drunk) with all the threats of invasion and with Americans either laughing it off or being all for it (and I recognise that’s not all Americans but it’s enough). Like, “haha, Canada will turn the USA blue!”
And fine, yeah Canada is pretty up there for LGBT rights, but when one of the main platform points (imported from the USA!) from the Conservatives right now seems to be just straight up attacking trans people, it makes me pretty worried. I have multiple family members and a few friends who are trans or non binary and the rhetoric is scary.
But TL;DR, not angry at you, just America(ns). I apologise to the good Americans, but your country is exporting a lot of bullshit right now. More than usual
Wait where’s china, russia, turkey, iran, dprk, or any of those countries on this list? They were all before 2000, right? Right?
Mexico had their first black president in 1829 and abolished slavery. The US was a century too late to lead such a thing. Your comment reeks of western chauvinism.
. . . You don’t think Mexico is western?
And who said anything about the first black president or abolishing slavery? Mexico didn’t give women the right to vote until 50 years after we did here in Australia, does that mean you reek as well? What an odd stand to try and make.
Lmao, way to go, I’m not even Mexican. You said the US was leading the charge and included racism, that’s a silly statement, so I pointed out the absurdity of it.
Mexico is culturally western, but not white, ergo, not politically western. And Australia, you’re British diaspora from a country constantly attacking the aboriginals through even their votes. While Mexico can be lacking, they’re the ones with a female president and abortion rights, so again, the americans leading the charge is a humorous statement.
Not significantly more than anywhere else.
I didn’t compare to any place. I just stated America is filled with hatred towards minorities.
You singled it out. Which was incorrect. Hatred of minorities is common in every culture on every continent of the Earth. It’s a basic human nature thing. And America isn’t special in that respect. Hell when you get into large monocultures like China Etc the racism and hatred of minorities gets even more extreme and specific. In fact a lot of those hatreds have been imported from all over. The Koreans hatred of the japanese. The Japanese is hatred of the Chinese and vice versa. Various Indian sects hatred of each other. And the colorful bigotry of Europe and the Mediterranean. But one thing it is also produced here in America that is a little less common than elsewhere. Are people that actually are much more tolerant and supportive of minorities. Unfortunately they’re not the ones in control but they do exist.
Singling out a problem that exists in a country I am very familiar with is a non problem. I didn’t state it was special to America. I didn’t speak on any other nation and their hatred of minorities. I didn’t even state anything about it being part of “human nature.”
I spoke on being familiar with the fact that it is a problem in America.
no chance of that
Well of course not, they’re deleting the content.
There has been no official announcement that such a change is coming, but Reddit commenters speculated that possibly the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was requiring a change to stop American TikTokers from using the app to influence Chinese citizens.
Ah, that trustworthy and unbiased group of China experts that are Redditors
Two sentences before this they were explaining quite clearly why chinese users might actually be bothered by the flood of american users and why they might want the ability to filter by IP region, but because some redditors speculated that the SeeSeePee doesn’t want the Americans to spread their freedom-loving germs to their country then that must be why they’d do it, if that rumor were to be proven true
thanks for saving me a click
Lol. Lmao, even.
Jk, my real thoughts is: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOL
Kinda like how Chinese citizens can’t use tiktok either. Wonder why…
Tiktok is for westoid plebs… They got different agendas for daddy’s property v their own subjects
