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This was bound to happen, and it’s ridiculous
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I know none of this is actually about protecting kids… But even if it was, their reasoning and methodology sucks.
some of the 16 to 21-year-olds surveyed saying they had viewed it “aged six or younger”.
So there may have been a problem at least 10 years ago. Does that problem still exist? (never mind the obvious “is the problem parents ignoring their kids on a tablet”…)
Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.
Okay, now let’s address the parents being the problem. By default, Google’s “Safe Search” is on, and the kid actively searched for porn. So no parental supervision of the 12 year old kid on the internet. Someone setup a google account, and changed the default settings to show those results. (oh, but that person is 25 now, so that was also 13 years ago…)
Almost all of the big websites have parental control settings that would alleviate the vast majority of these “problems” if parents actually used them. Parents being willfully ignorant isn’t going to be resolved by legislation. They know that. This is all a smoke screen to put the entire population behind a firewall and control the narrative. It isn’t even a very thick smoke screen.
Almost all of the big websites have parental control settings that would alleviate the vast majority of these “problems” if parents actually used them.
Nope. Parental controls in general suck and are often bare bones just for a semblance of legal compliance. Parents don’t have access to every device children have access to either
Parents don’t have access to every device children have access to either
Either parents or the school… and if the school doesn’t have a pretty significantly locked down network, that’s a separate problem.
Also, you’re right, I misspoke. While some of the bigger websites have decent-ish parental controls, I was more thinking of device specific parental controls. The amount you can lock-down (and monitor) a phone you give your 12 year old is pretty impressive. I’d rather parents did that than hand the monitoring, censoring, and access over to various government agencies all over the world.
Age restrict vpns…
Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.
Now 25 and happily married.
Wow. Porn really destroyed this mans life. What a tragic tale.
Addiction to porn is not a real thing. No reputable source classifies compulsive viewing of porn as an addiction as far as I know. These people just find it to be a convenient excuse for their compulsions.
It’s not like it can’t happen, i also found porn very early on. I got addicted and it ruined my early sex life. Real women weren’t “exciting” anymore and I’d lost my sensitivity as well.
This is NOT the solution but it’s also not not an issue
Thank you for speaking up. I’m going to share a bit of my experience (unrelated to you, OP.)
I suspect (from my experience dating men) that the desensitivity issue is more common than most people will admit. Few men want to admit that their dick doesn’t work properly, and a subset of those men will attempt to frame this problem as a benefit instead (“I can keep going for so long without cumming, it’s my super power!”) I don’t expect most men will talk with each other like this, but it’s one of the justifications such men tell their partners.
From the partner’s perspective, I hate to have to say this, but… no, it’s not a power. It’s a weakness. A desensitized dick turns sex into a frustrating act that only ends when I get physically sore. If he doesn’t have that “natural stopping point” that usually signals an end to penetration, and the act still feels good to him - he doesn’t want to stop, so why would he? But it’s a very different experience from the “receiving” partner’s perspective. Most people who “receive” in sex don’t want to keep going until they end up in pain. We don’t want to always be the buzz-kill whose role is to decide, “Okay, sex time is over!” I want to have fun, too; not be the playground monitor that has to announce when recess is finished. Going on and on is a porn fantasy, and just like many porn fantasies, it’s not that fun in real life.
The issue of porn-induced desensitivity is absolutely real. However, taking away people’s privacy online is not the solution. These laws are absolutely absurd and a terrifying glimpse of the future the fascists in power are aiming toward. (And for anyone overly-concerned about my sex life that feels the need to chime in with advice - I learned from the lessons of my past, and I share those lessons in hopes that others can learn from it too.)
He told Newsnight the addiction caused him to isolate himself from friends and family because he was “afraid of anyone discovering that I was hooked.”
Mr Lane described finding “the only place I could get, I guess, love and intimacy was from pornography” at the same time as feeling “heaps of guilt and shame”
The problem seems to have more to do with lack of proper sex education and social pressure rather than pornography. Why did he have to feel so ashamed that he isolated himself? That’s a real issue here!
If jacking off constantly at age 14 doomed a person we would never have left the Miocene epoch.
We would have gone extinct before we discovered fire.
Tho not so prevelant in this current timeline with internet access, there is a global phenomenon that most little boys can attest to. When we were growing up, there was forest porn. No one knew how it got there. No one claimed it. But in every town, county, village, city, et al, there were some woods with forest porn.
I do not condone children viewing porn because they are not mentally or emotionally ready for that. However, I do know it exists and gosh, it seems to me that some proper parenting skills would solve a lot of problems.
Forest porn was absolute roided out boomer oriented garbage. Worst slop you’ve seen a billion times.
On the other hand, the early videos with the old Lady teaching 13yr old me how to eat someone out and anatomy were better sex ed than school and “the talk”(didn’t happen lol) combined.
What child has a VPN ?
A tech savvy child who can Google free vpns.
Can confirm, knew what vpns were when I was 14.
But it’s still ridiculous. A willing person will masturbate to nursing home brochures if they are horny enough.
If they really cared about kids they would have been regulating the social media platforms like instagram.
Pretty much. We all know this isn’t about protecting kids, it’s about over policing people and invading their privacy.
It’s indeed ridiculous. At some point I had no internet access, no playboy, no drawing stuff. So, anyway, I just used my good ol’ imagination.
They always seek to control that which is natural: the urge to have a happy life, with pleasure.
They could better spend their time combatting the corruption within the Tories and Labour, and actually putting up a proportional representation system. Or yet better, workplace democracy for all. People can follow a leader if they want, but it’s nice if everyone else also can live as they want.
If they cared about kids, I think it’s better to educate them about how to navigate the internet safely. Prohibiting the internet for kids is one thing, but imo it’s a bandaid fix for bad parenting.
Better to tell them “never give away your real name, address, or age”, and “never ask for the same of someone else”. And that when they see something awful, it’s best to talk with their parents about it. Kids need to grow up safely, yes, but they should also be independent, not boxed in by helicopter parents.
When I was younger, I was often on the internet and mostly just visited the safe sites. Occassionally I saw the one off scary site but I knew to avoid it later then, or talked about it irl with friends and family.
The theme throughout my entire life is more and more control. I can’t even go from point A to point B in my city without being recorded every step of the way.
Starting to look like a Big Brother future.
The thing that annoys me the most about it (well, aside from the massive invasion of civil liberties and general dystopian behaviour) is that we don’t even get any of the fringe benefits of it. By that I mean, if I contact the government because I need some information about myself (recent examples: vaccine history, polling information, National Insurance query etc.) they act as if they’ve never been contacted by a person before and seem to immediately go into a panic and send you in a big loop of Other People Who Might Have It, with the end goal seeming to be “nobody knows where it is, let’s just hope they give up and stop asking.”
Like if the government must insist on tracking every single thing I do and say and look at and place I go to, the least they could do is actually have that info to hand so I can use it too. It seems the more they track us, the less capable they are of actually doing anything useful with that information.
Does the government actually own all this information about us though, or is it all outsourced with various private companies?
This pisses me off so much. They don’t give a single solitary fuck about kids OR their safety online. If they did, they wouldn’t do it like this. If/when I have kids, they’re not getting a smartphone until they turn 14. Until then, they’ll be using a flip phone to contact me. THAT’S how you create a safe online environment for kids, not by banning VPNs which takes away privacy rights from everyone else. They just want to control us and take our right to privacy away but they don’t realize that a strict government creates the best liars. If they ban VPNs, people WILL find a way to consume whatever content they desire regardless of what the government says. This can only end badly and make life hell for everyone below a certain tax bracket. Although, I guess that was their goal at the very beginning so I’m just being redundant.
Kids with access to porn will put it on flash drives and sell it to other kids. Are they gonna ban flash drives next?
No the next thing will be to ban porn completely. Look at Project 2025. It’s in the list. Granted this is a US based initiative but other countries seem to be speed running the checklist.
The document’s foreword asserts that pornography is not protected by the First Amendment and “should be outlawed,” calling for criminal prosecution of producers and distributors and shuttering tech/telecom companies that facilitate its spread
lol like that is even possible.
Humans have been making porn since we could symbolize things.
When you have a shit-ton of money and a system rigged in your favor, anything’s possible. Hell, for example, if they found a way to ban sexual acts and procreation (what we’ve been doing since the beginning of our species) whatsoever and restrict it to selected individuals that THEY choose, they’d change the laws to suit them, begin the brainwashing of their supporters under the guise of “the greater good,” and then they’d do it and everyone that voted for it would act surprised like any of what happened wasn’t foretold years prior.
Hence boobies on cave walls….
Or those “ritual fertility goddess” statues they found everywhere
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did tbh. The ones at the top get what they want and if they see flash drives as a threat, they’ll try to ban 'em.
Unironically, I think there’s upsides for children being under silly and arbitrary rules that they have to figure out how get around.
Sure, at home or school. Enforced by parents or teachers, not by society on everyone.
Society doesn’t do shit… They take it like obedient dogs they are
This will enforced by the government and at a gun point if needed.
Anything the society allows their government to do, it bears responsibilty for. Doesn’t matter if your average citizen takes an active role. If they don’t take an active role in resisting, or at least sub-verting or sabotaging, they don’t need or deserve your excuses.
I am all about the french cutlery but this is still a bit heavy for me.
I mean, extending it down to the individual level for every detail of law is a bit of a stretch, but my point was that the actions of government are a consequence of the actions or inaction of society-at-large. Individuals who want to distance themselves from the actions of a fascist government and still count themselves part of that jurisdiction’s society should take some sort of action, even anonymously.
If they are to be counted as victims, it serves no-one for them to pretend that main-stream society(or society beyond whatever group they identify with) is blameless or a solid ally versus that government.
“Society” as a concept is more prone to excluding those without power or influence; It de facto includes those with the means to steer government.
I don’t disagree with the basic premise of personal responsibility but that terming has american political connotations so I prefer to frame as direct action.
So yeah every adult is responsible for taking direct action to resist and obstruct exploitation of the working class.
If enough people did direct action and upgraded that to act in solidarity with each other. It would take like 20-30 of adjlt population to start rolling back some of the abuse.
But even this framing is found to be inflammatory onhere on reddit you get banned for it.
God forbid you tell somebody to stop using doordash 🤡
This is so fucking stupid, you cannot stop VPNs, because things like ShadowSocks exist. When will they learn that the only way to stop VPNs is to disable the internet completely. As long as the internet exists, VPNs will too. Ask your friend Xi Jinping about that.
Xi Jinping will be more than happy to provide consultation work for the UK government. Stop giving them ideas.
VPN use in China is effectively banned. Big corporations serve shittier Facebook that 99% of the population is satisfied with.
And yet people in still china use VPN when wanting to access outside of their own net.
Having spent the last year living in China I can tell you that about 50% of the people I asked have them. I even ended up using one recommended by a local because it worked better than the western one I had been using.
I read comments and posts from Chinese posters who go through VPNs regularly.
vpns being more regulated than guns aren’t politicians awesome
please think of the children!
He says with 2TB of CSAM on his computer
Either introduce legislation that enforces standardized parental controls for parents to monitor or shut the fuck up.
Governments have persistently censored and surveilled the internet ever-more on the basis of “but the children :(” without ever doing a single actually good thing for the children like decreasing class sizes or letting parents spend more time with their children. Both of which would actually help address the issue.
This is the equivalent of abstinence education, just keep 'em ignorant and then when they finally see porn on superundergroundillegalporn.com.illegal it’ll just be 10x worse.
children figuring out VPNs in a week while these bumfucks (state that they) didn’t manage to understand it in the years they’ve been given just goes to show the many orders of magnitudes of difference in their intelligence
No, this is intentional, the ultimate goal is a censored internet a la China. This was just the easiest gateway to doing that.
They are coming for VPNs next.
tbf it’s probably both corruption and incompetence, not just one or the other
Never attribute to incompetence that which can also be attributed to malice.
This. The tech giants are trying to ‘solidify’ the current structure of the internet and gatekeep its information. We’re going from archival libraries to curated and policed propaganda. Google seems to be the key piece of the upcoming change with the most broad general access to user data through the cell phone.
It’s not just them. There’s like a council of 4 or 5 but Google is the best placed. Kind of a ‘community leader’
The normie gonna keep saying how stupid the law markers are as he is being cooked like an idiot
I’m so fucking sick of losing my rights to protect other people’s kids. I don’t have any fucking kids. Why don’t they apply their idiotic rules to those that do and leave the rest of us be.
Who is voting for these people?
I have a feeling that this is another example of the ruling class doing whatever it wants regardless of what the working class wants.
Our representatives do not represent us.
Because we’re fine with kids not having rights, but when anyone else gets mildly screwed by regulation like this we get angry. Great. How about we did something about it before it started affecting us?
Also, give up your rights for the kids, but don’t ask for any justice towards the royal pedophile prince, that’s bad.
Also, no more free school lunches, think of the children.
It is not about the children, nor their parents. Redirect your anger towards the perpetrators, not towards the scapegoats…
I have no anger towards children or parents in general. I just think it’s the parent’s responsibility to monitor their kids not the government’s. Thus, the only people who should be affected by rediculous rules and laws that “protect children” are people who have children. Plus, there are plenty and religious and right wing parents who support shit like this.
I have 2 kids, and I can’t agree more. My kids have PCs with Linux, I control and monitor everything they do in them, and teach them to use technology responsibly. That’s my job, not any government’s.
I keep saying this. People have kids, but then don’t want the responsibility that carries with it.
Very true, more parents should be like you. Unfortunately, I’ve known many parents who are completely fucking neglectful and when their kid fucks up or gets caught doing something they’re not supposed to they look for anyone or anything besides themselves to blame.
I’ve only known one person who I could honestly say was a good parent. She sacrificed everything to give her 2 sons a great life. She did everything and only put a reasonable amount of responsibility on her kids to help out. She didn’t date or go out, she sacrificed her own needs and basically was always working and active in her kids life. One of her son’s was autistic and needed a lot of extra attention and care and the other turned out to be the most responsible and well adjusted dude I’ve ever known. I wish more parents were like her.
Dude, that was my mom, and with 4 kids. I believe that my brother and I, even more so than my 2 sisters, are the type of parents we are because of how my mom raised us. And I got beat regularly on suspicion alone (but I was always suspicious, so there’s that) by her, and today, I could not be more grateful of the mom God gave us. My kids have never been even spanked, no so much as a slap on the wrist, and they go insane when I tell them about how we were raised.
My mom knew every single one of our friends and their parents, and they kept regular communication over the phone. It really took a village to raise a kid 🤣
Linux
I control and monitor everything they do in them
Some software recommendations? I mean, I don’t have kids, but I like Linux and it doesn’t hurt to know where to perhaps point someone.
So far I only seen Veyon in action, but only for monitoring and remote control of multiple PCs, which probably doesn’t fit home environment.
Keep watching this bit, so you dont focus on the other bit… which will be to attack end to end encryption in message apps. ie you must put a back door in, so we can see who is saying what, whenever we want.
This labour government, makes me want tories back. Thats how fucking bad they are.
Because it’s all an excuse to eliminate all privacy. The empire doesn’t survive if the workers are allowed to communicate freely.
I know. If they really cared about protecting kids they could force ISPs to sell a whitelisted or blacklisted “Family” service. They could even go further into insanity and force parents to only use that service until their kids turn 18. They could track kids based on their school registration and a forced Microsoft account and/or Gmail/Apple account to ensure that they only ever connect to a safe network and put the responsibility on parents to monitor their kids activity outside of their home.
They don’t want to protect kids they want to take away our rights and privacy and as an added bonus make it harder to access porn so that fewer people will use it in the hope that more people have kids.
Bullshit, ISPs are not responsible for kids either. That’s the parents’ job, not any company’ or government’.
I agree completely. I was giving a rediculously extreme example of a way they could actually try to protect kids from porn if that really was their goal.
I’m a parent and I’m sick of it too. It’s so incredibly easy to monitor your kid today as modern parental control system literally do most of the work for you. Also you can just talk and be honest with your kids - 12-16 year olds are pretty smart contrary to what some want you to think.
Literally no one likes this except the bottom of the barrel brain washed idiots. I’m not a conspiracist but I meet other parents and while I’m not based in the UK, porn access was never an issue for any parent so this just reeks of propaganda.
Seriously, they build parental controls into pretty much all modern devices and there’s plenty of 3rd party software for added functionality and customization. The tools are there for parents. All they have to do is enable and configure them.
I think people who support this shit and other other laws that strip our rights away are virtue signaling, neglectful/lazy, or like you said completely brainwashed. I think that those in power want to slowly work towards banning porn completely and not just in the UK. I’ve said it elsewhere, but politicians and rich assholes like Elon Musk are worried about birthrates falling and this is just one of many tactics to try to get people to have more kids.
The 3rd party apps cost max 100$ a year and does almost everything for you (with plenty of good free 1st party options like Google Family Link). All you have to do is review the alerts and configure screen time and you still let your kids retain good amount of privacy. It’s insane how easy it is these days so there are no excuses for any parent, period.
Watching the children whack off and being judgemental is Yahweh’s job, not his ministers.
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