• notabot@piefed.social
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    1 month ago

    So, they refused to support genocide (a position, to be clear, that I agree with) by taking an action (voting third party) or inaction (not voting) that would clearly, and obviously, give a candidate who supported genocide a higher probability of not just winning, but being supported by others with the same opinion?

    Voters were put in an invidious position and there were no good options, but there was one option that was clearly worse in every way, and they either directly or indirectly chose to support him.

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      Donald Trump secured a clear victory in the 2024 presidential election, but some online posts claimed Kamala Harris would have won several key states if not for ballots cast for third-party candidates. This misrepresents available data – preliminary totals show that even with all the non-Trump votes in the seven biggest battlegrounds, the vice president would not have secured an Electoral College win.

      https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36LT4WK

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        How many people decided not to vote? As I mentioned, it wasn’t just third party voters, but also those that chose not to vote. Also, to be clear, voters should not have been put in that position in the first place. However, they were put in that position, and given that there were only two possible outcomes to the presidential election, there really was only one sane choice to make. Unfortunately many chose a different one.

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          People who knew what would happen if your party didn’t abandon its support for genocide warned you what would happen.

          Centrist democrats thought they knew better and charged right ahead with a shit candidate with a single morally reprehensible policy and a timid little bunch of promises no one could trust after the previous 4 years of broken promises.

          You were wrong. You lost. You should have listened. You have the opportunity to listen now. You don’t want to. You want to blame people who don’t support the only policy the party won’t back down on.

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            1 month ago

            The problem is, it’s not really the dems who lost, it’s everyone who isn’t a fascist. The party as a whole isn’t really affected by this (and that’s a huge problem), and most of the candidates who lost their elections are part of the party and will just carry on. The way that changes is through pushing for, and supporting, candidates at all levels who support a better agenda, not at the ballot box.

            The whole system sucks; be mad about it, push to change it, but I don’t think that those who voted third party, or chose not to vote think this, overall, is better than the results of Harris being in the White House, and they, combined, could have changed this outcome.

            Ultimately this election is done, the situation is what it is, and, with a bit of luck, there’ll be elections next year and in '28 where some of this can start to be undone. I wish I was more confident in that.

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              The problem is, it’s not really the dems who lost, it’s everyone who isn’t a fascist.

              Everyone who isn’t a fascist lost when the “good” party supported genocide.