This wouldn’t be bad if we were getting deals like we were in 2008/9 with like a PS3 + 3 games and 2 controllers for £350.
Now is £550 for the console alone + £70 per year to play online + £70 for one game + £60 for a new controller + £100 for disc drive? Get all the way fucked.
Welp, guess it’s back to playing Brazilian ports of PS titles again, cause I’m not spending $400 on a 6-year-old console. It should be less than $150 used by now.
PlayStation/Sony still proving they would rather screw players to rip off PlayStation owners. Guess God of War Ragnarok will be my last PS game for a while 🤷♂️
Lol, sure. Voluntarily alienate an ever-growing chunk of your customers. See how that goes for ya.
Did I enjoy the Insomniac Spider-Man games on Steam? Yes
Will I buy a playstation to play future installments? No, I’ll just go watch a letsplay or story summary on youtube if you dont want my money
Oh no…
Please. Please don’t make me address my 300 game backlog on Steam.
I’m a PC gamer so I don’t have to deal with console bullshit. Been working out great for me since 1998.
Pff, backlog… I’m rotating between the same 10-15 games for years now.
Only 300?
Some of the games in my backlog came out in 1998.
Oh well, still not buying a PS.
Sony: but line go up
(line turns out to be steam deck sales numbers)
Sony: not like that
A $670 buy-in for one single player game? No thanks.
I can almost guarantee you that dude has a board or shareholders or whatever, breathing down his neck, and his yearly bonus is depending on the number of units sold. So he will canibalize the whole system with a complete disregard for the long term effects, so long as the magic number goes up in the short term and he can cash in his bonus.
You just described all business in the modern day.
Exactly why Valve doesnt want any shareholders
This is exactly the reason the saying “they don’t make them like they used to” is a thing for everything.
Uh, hard pill to swallow. So all my favorite Playstation games require a Playstation in the future? Like… Eeeeehm, let me check my steam account with almost 700 games… Eeeeehm… Never mind, I found none.
Yeah. I’m just so beyond good without playing games that are locked to console. I kinda thought we were over this tbh, it’s unfortunate that Sony is moving backwards.
I will say that I’m making an exception for GTA6 because, well, it’s GTA, and I’ll be able to sell the phycial copy and console when it releases on PC, it shouldn’t cost too much extra to be able to play at launch.
With GTA5 online they have continuesly been adding more content without asking money for it (or at least, it was that, way back in the day, don’t know for sure about now, but I don’t think it changed). They only have the purchase of ingame currency. So I don’t feel ripped off with an empty bug simulator which requires a shit load of extra payments to get what I expected in the base game. So yeah, I’m buying that as well. That studio has been consistent with proper story lines and well made games, they deserve my money. Same with Larian Studio. Same as many indie game devs. If I get value for money, I’m happy to pay for it. If I pirate a game and I spend enough time playing it, I’ll buy it. Unless it consists mostly of DLC’s. If a company tries to rip me off, I’ll pirate their shit without guilt.
With GTA5 online they have continuesly been adding more content without asking money for it (or at least, it was that, way back in the day, don’t know for sure about now, but I don’t think it changed). They only have the purchase of ingame currency. So I don’t feel ripped off with an empty bug simulator which requires a shit load of extra payments to get what I expected in the base game. So yeah, I’m buying that as well. That studio has been consistent with proper story lines and well made games, they deserve my money. Same with Larian Studio. Same as many indie game devs. If I get value for money, I’m happy to pay for it. If I pirate a game and I spend enough time playing it, I’ll buy it. Unless it consists mostly of DLC’s. If a company tries to rip me off, I’ll pirate their shit without guilt.
I’m just starting to play Subnautica. That’s how bad my backlog is. I think I will be fine.
Don’t buy second one, it has slavery EULA
I was actually going to, pls give a rundown of the eula
You can’t lawsuit them, everything you record in game their property, you can’t use vpn, you can’t share “bad” game content, can’t mod it… And etc
Thank you for the explanation!
Isn’t that from the publisher that asked AI how to about paying the developers a bonus?
I literally just started playing Subnautica for the first time last night as well after owning it for about 4 years.
Oh no, all 3 games.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
PC players arent starving for games. We’re drowning in them
I could buy no new games for the rest of my life and still not get around to completing everything in my library (and I’m excluding bundled games I have no intention of playing).
And in 10 years time, all of these exclusives will be available via emulation even if they never officially leave the console.
Dude, the last 10 games I bought haven’t even been installed yet. Kiddo and I are still trying to wrap up other stuff.
plus you can choose to play 1 game until you get bored of it. not so for console where you have to keep chasing the next new thing that comes along.
They will come crawling back after the current moron in charge gets fired. Until then, its like 4 games.
Exactly! They’ll cut jobs and trim the fat until they run out of half-assed, short-term methods of increasing quarterly profits year over year. Then they’ll remember PC gamers are almost exclusively adults and some of those adults have deep pockets and no interest in the closed ecosystems that consoles provide.
Just watch.
Fired? You mean given progressively larger bonuses until he’s poached by a completely different moronic public company just to repeat the same cycle until he dies happy, healthy, and wealthy beyond measure?
Lol they will not. The next Xbox is literally going to be a PC with a full Windows OS. Sony is not going to become Xbox and give people no reason to stay in their ecosystem.
They also sold 98 million ps5s. All the delulus in this thread acting like their money matters when it doesn’t. Most of the Sony games sold poorly on steam. PC gamers aren’t worth the effort.
People will 100% buy the ps6. I’m not missing out on more horizon, gow, or tlou. You say it’s 4 games, meanwhile I looked at the top 30 best selling PS5 games and half of them were published by Sony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_5_video_games
Hardcore PC players on Reddit/Lemmy just keep proving they’re still detached from normie reality.
As of the end of the second quarter of last year, the PS5 was apparently just behind the PS4 in terms of lifetime sales, 84.2 million to the PS4’s 86 million at that same point in the PS4’s sales.
However, going into and during the November/December holiday season, sales dropped off compared to last year - selling 1.5 million units less during the last fiscal quarter compared to 2024.
So overall, the PS5 seems to be in a pretty healthy spot, having sold more units so far than the PS3 did in its “lifetime”, but it has not done as well as Sony wants it to. It hasn’t sold as well as the PS4, and definitely hasn’t outsold it. And if the downward year over year sales trend continues, Sony will find themselves in hot water. With the economic downturn, sales of everything will continue to suffer, and I think something that will hurt the PS5 (and PS6) that a lot of console players don’t think about is that PC gamers tend to also own at least 1 console. Many PC gamers owned a PS4 and a PS3 as well. But, with money becoming an issue, they’re not going to drop their PC for a console. They’ll drop the console for the PC they already own and accept that they’ll miss out on the exclusives. And Sony already had issues with people not replacing their PS4s with a PS5. For years people simply weren’t doing it. So far there are only about 8 PS5 exclusive games that aren’t also out on PS4 or were timed exclusives that are on PC as well. And we’re 5 years into the PS5’s lifetime, which is usually a decade at most for console generations. That’s not a lot of incentive to entice people to give up their money for a PS5 for. Why buy a PS5 for 8 games when I have the entirety of my Steam library going back to 2007? Plus, PC has its own exclusives. Practically an entire industry of them. The sheer volume of indie games exclusive to the PC means that you could play a new game everyday for the rest of your life and never spend a single cent on any AAA studio.
One thing that you’re missing is why Sony games sold “poorly” on the PC, and that comes down to the port quality, the delay between console and PC release, and the price. Many Sony releases had/still have performance issues. And there was the PlayStation account drama, which probably hurt sales. Add to that that it’s at least an additional year before a Sony game comes out on Steam, and then they charge full console price. Is it any surprise why they “sell poorly”? PC gamers have already had to wait a year or more for the game, they might as well wait for a sale for it to be at a reasonable price. But look at a game like Helldivers 2. The PC makes up a major portion of the player base. There’s a reason that Sony said “single player” games, not all games. Games sell on the PC. PC gamers just aren’t willing to accept the quality for the price that Sony was offering for their tentpole games. If we base the size of the market on the total number of games downloaded last year, the PC makes up almost half of the PC/console market: 857 million downloads vs 626 million on Sony consoles, and 546 million on Xbox, for a combined roughly 2 billion total games downloaded in 2025. The PC market is no drop in the bucket by console terms. We won’t talk about the 52 billion mobile games downloaded last year.
Sony will try again if the PC market doesn’t go in on buying a PS5/PS6 like Sony hopes, which I don’t think they will. I don’t think it will be anytime soon, but the line needs to go up. Forever. They’ll cut costs where they can and increase prices as much as their customers will let them, but eventually they’ll turn to other options, and the PC market is a low-hanging fruit tempting easy short-term gains for little effort.
If for every 7 or 8 game copies they would’ve sold on Steam for full price, one person now buys a Playstation and a single game, this move is still profitable for them.
Now all they have to do is announce like 2 decent exclusives that launch a month or 2 before GTA VI and they’re golden. People suddenly have multiple games they need a console for (assuming they don’t want to wait a year or 2 for GTA VI, which will sell like hot cupcakes)
They’re not worth the effort. And better yet they just collect 8$ indie games they never play.
That’s a bold move, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for them.
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Valve has made the console model irrelevant. This is Sony officially giving up on the gaming market.
Valve still hasn’t figured out physical copies and reselling.
But then, maybe they eventually will, or Sony and Nintendo give up on physicals (as they seem to want to)
Both companies are leaning hard on digital only sales. Between the standard PS5 shipping without a disc drive and Switch 2 cartridges being little more than download keys the physical retail market is in its last dying gasps. Steam handily has both companies beat in terms of game catalog availability and affordability. A few console exclusives might be enough to maintain steady sales, but it’s an obvious trend that PC gaming is gaining dominance with third party publishers.
Also they want you to buy physical games then to activate them for your account, making them useless for resale (like with steam games, whether bought digital of physical). Sony and Nintendo are eyeballing it for a while now, it’s just something causing insane resistance from their player base when hinting the idea. Same with single-player games requiring your device being online.
All they want is taking away your rights. Like digital games, making them the same price as physical but you’re not actually buying the game, just the right to play their game for as long as they want to support it.
Back in the days you missed nice features when pirating software or movies (like the DVD extras) but these days the pirated version is better and with less restrictions than the purchased licence.
For example, I am leeching YouTube premium from a friend. But using the grayjay app gives me more rights and features than the premium version of YouTube, with sponsor block implemented, offline downloads don’t require a connection to watch and you’re not constantly fed with shorts slop. And you can categorize channel subscriptions and video recommendations are better.
Same with games. Want to play hitman? Sure, 60 bucks for a few missions, plus 140 for all DLC content so you actually have some decent amount of content and playtime. Or pirate it with all DLC content included. I’m fine with paying full price for a proper game, but if most content is locked behind a paywall, I’ll just pirate it instead. Fuck them.
that was largerly due to the fact that consoles were getting more expensive and that it was getting to the point you could build a computer, that would look better than console, for the same or cheaper than console.
but the whole AI bullshit kinda blew that ship out of the water… so Consoles may start gaining ground again as the affordable gaming option (compared to paying a console price for ram, a console price for storage, and 2 console prices for a GPU)
Console makers have to pay more for those parts too. Next gen is going to shock people I think.
yeah, but they still get the advantage of bulk buying and economies of scale.
While we don’t. So their costs don’t increase nearly as much as ours do.
nintendo is so reliant on pokemon, People are still buying the slop game freak is producing.
or Sony and Nintendo give up on physicals (as they seem to want to)
Sony was already very clearly migrating in that direction since the PS4, but didn’t go all in thanks to microslop shooting itself in the foot with the Xbox 1 reveal
