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[Mr Lovenstein] Volume
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(insert lengthy explanation and complaint about compression and audio mixing here)
Thanks. I was wondering why this always seems to be the case. Sounds like I need to either stop watching Christopher Nolan movies or upgrade my audio system.
You can usually skip all of it by telling people to get an actual sound system and not using built in TV speakers
We didn’t mix it poorly! You just haven’t spent enough money yet!
This opinion makes me unreasonably angry. If they want to do some more fancy mixing for cinemas and home set ups that it actually works for, fine.
But by default, I want to hear the dialogue, and any movie producer who doesn’t want to try achieve that is a moron and elitist.
Yeah, but that unfortunately is asking someone to spend some decent money. It’s a problem that could definitely be fixed in softw- Oh no. Don’t get me started… Nice try.
The AppleTV 4k box has actually implemented some very effective menu options to deal with this on shitty speakers. Commence downvoting me for using an Apple product.
Downvoted for preemptive whining about downvotes.
It’s very weird how many pro audio people knowingly fail at their core job in this way
Maybe we should get into the field. there’s obviously a low bar.
Maybe we should have more anti audio people? Go back to silent movies and show?
And then suddenly an advert at a volume loud enough to ablate the skin right off your face
TBF this always ends up with a lot of misplaced blame on the consumer
TV manufacturers decided/figured out long ago that Joe public cares more about a screen being thin, at time of purchase, than it having any semblance of audio quality. And they assume anyone who cares about audio will buy a set of speakers or (increasingly) a sound bar anyway, so they just need the bare minimum included.
This has gotten to the absurd point now where the speakers included in your average TV aren’t much better than a particularly loud phone speaker.
It’s basically impossible to get something that sounds even audible on those speakers, without doing what adverts do and compressing the shit out of the signal, which has the bonus of sounding loud and bad for everyone, there’s no bringing the detail back that was squashed out. Movie studios aren’t going to mix a movie that sounds bad on a system designed remotely properly (e.g. a cinema or reviewer’s TV), so we’re in the current situation.
The unfortunate situation today is you basically need some kind of separate speaker(s) with a TV because the manufacturers all have cheaped out across the board and don’t include anything good enough any more. The consumer shouldn’t be expected to know this and have to pay extra, the TV should come with speakers capable of producing audio properly.
I don’t even understand why they bother to include speakers in high-end TVs at all. Who’s going to buy an >80” TV and then only have stereo sound. For movies sound is at least as important for the experience as the picture quality. No built in speaker system is ever going be good enough, it’s simple physics.
Large dynamic range is a good thing, in audio and video. There are a number of ways to reduce dynamic range, if you really need to. Expanding dynamic range after capture is possible, too, but more fraught.
Shannon information theory gives us ways to perfectly reconstruct the lower range version from an expanded range version, but it also guarantees that reconstructing the higher range version from a reduced range version cannot be perfectly accurate across all inputs. (Assuming a fixed output range capability.)
Large dynamic range is a good thing, in audio and video.
a good thing for accurately reproducing the original signal.
But many people watching a show at home would like to just watch the damn movie without anything being particularly loud or resorting to subtitles. Decent range compression achieves that. Applying information theory to a Sunday night movie is stupid.
I’m also here to support dynamic range. I don’t want the volume “normalized”, I want loud louds and quiet quiets.
Then there should be a special setting for you. The rest of us normies hate the current state of affairs. Let me hear the dialogue, for fuck’s sake.
I shouldn’t have to request closed caption subtitles at the cinema because movie producers are wanking each other off about how you need high dynamic range.
I really think they need to produce 2 different mixes, since most cinemas I’ve been to, it’s been awful in recent years.
User error. Either use proper audio equipment like speakers, or under the tv settings turn audio dynamic range to low.
And what do you suggest I do when every cinema I go to suffers from the same thing?
