I wonder if they feel the same way about police unions, or wait no I don’t wonder.
They’ll save them for last. The brownshirts always get what’s coming.
I already support unions (in one) and adore teachers because I pretty much worship at the church of education. They have one of the most important jobs in society. It’s kinda hard to make me more sympathetic to their plight, but hey, you did it.
The weakest union with the lowest paid members? Clearly doing the Lord’s work here
I bet every one of the ghouls doing this were shitkids in school and resent teachers because they tried to do their fucking jobs
Great so teachers have no support, and people wonder why we have a shortage of teachers
It’s by design.
Once upon a time, the USA had a strong middle class. Billionaires got taxed heavily, and our public schools were the envy of the world. Well funded and produced a lot of great students.
But educated people are difficult to control and even harder to dupe. The GOP realized that if they can gut public education, the masses will become malleable again. Meanwhile, the children of the rich can continue to go to expensive private institutions for their own education. So the rich stay educated, and the poor’s go in the gutter.
Only problem with that is that a society like that becomes very unsuccessful, lowering the standard of living for everyone, including the rich.
The uber rich in India are doing ok. It’ll probably be like that. A caste based society
Are they though? What about the air pollution? The rich have to breathe the same air. For now, anyway.
Eh, they have to drive on the same shitty roads, be stuck in the same traffic, breathe the same air, and on and on… sauce: been there, done that.
It should also be noted that they must be malleable beneath the threshold of the GOPs competence. So to effectively manipulate, the GOP needs a population more ignorant than the DNC does. The left can afford smarter ppl because the leadership itself is more competent, it ain’t like education isn’t being gutted in blue states as well
Also cutting education now has no effect for about 25 years or so(in their view. Its approximately right but not completely true…) Their short term brainrot is so bad they would abolish education entirely in a heart beat and coast on those miniscule savings for a few decades until the world rips itself apart…
Also, my pet conspiracy is they all know the world is going to devolve into chaos due to global heating and climate destabilization anyways so why should they care about education when its not going to produce anything worthwhile when the chaos hits… from what I’m seeing 2040 is where things get dicey and most things have inflected negative. 2050 is where things break down genuinely. Too many bad things happen at once…
I’ve already accepted that I’ll join the revolution when it comes. I will gladly strive for the communist cause.
Conservatives hate teachers because teachers don’t need to work when kids aren’t in school for the summer. That’s the only complaint I’ve ever truly heard from them. Meanwhile, those same teachers are up stupid early, on time every fucking day, dealing with over-filled classes of every type of child, and then doing even more labour in the evenings as they aren’t officially given much of any time to create plans or mark work.
They also do work during the summer, making lesson plans, teaching summer school, working a second job, etc.
But if Republicans made policy decisions based on reality they wouldn’t be Republicans.
They’re not detached from reality; they work on behalf of the Epstein class the most aggressively to keep the working class desperate and divided.
They just don’t care about “reality,” they want to inflict maximum pain.
Their pay is insanely low as well, and they can either not get paid for summer, or take their pay even lower per month to cover summer too
There’s plenty more that they complain about with teachers. They complain that they are ineffective, promote progressive ideals, target their children’s shitty behavior, aren’t held accountable, and the whole “those who can’t do, teach” bullshit.
I used to be a teacher. I’ve seen it all, heard it all.
Conservatives hate teachers because they educate the masses and an educated populace doesn’t vote Republican.
Since COVID some Conservative people I know have become like those animals that can’t comprehend things that didn’t happen right in front of them.
My kid is a teacher (in Canada so they are paid really well). But its solely on them to develop all the lessons and gather everything needed. They are working to do this after hours and weekends.
In the USA we’re indoctrinated in schools. Faje history and other b.s. Im not maga or republican but I also cant side with more bullshit from schools that dont actually teach. Glad you guys up north get it. Teachers matter even if they are doing the work of multiple people. At least you get paid.
Also plenty of blue collar professions that conservatives profess to respect… also work seasonally.
WE’RE ASSEMBLING A TEAM TO TRIPLE WORLD HUNGER!! BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!!
Those public school teachers have had it too good for too long.
Corey A. DeAngelis is an American advocate for school choice.
DeAngelis was an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank. He worked for the American Federation for Children, a conservative education nonprofit group founded by Betsy DeVos, from 2021 to 2024.
He joined the board of directors of the Liberty Justice Center in 2022. He has appeared on Fox News multiple times to as a commentator on education policy.
DeAngelis has described school choice as “a winner for Trump”. He contributed to the Project 2025 document, in the section discussing education and the dissolution of the U.S. Department of Education.
In 2024, he released the book The Parent Revolution.
This guy’s literally done nothing his entire life besides get paid by right-wing think tanks to undercut public schools
Why do people in the US equate “choice” with destroying other people’s protections?
- “School choice” = removing teacher’s work protections.
- “Health care choice” = no healthcare unless you can pay through the nose.
- “Food choice” = some of the worst food standards in the hemisphere.
Almost all of it is, or at least originates, from racism, at least with schools.
When public schools allowed racial integration , school choice became a mechanism for racists to pull their kids from mixed schools.
It grew into things like charter schools that are private, often religious, schools that get public funding and maintain segregation.
It’s a classic conservative propaganda technique to name their evil plans the opposite of what they actually mean. If it contains the word “freedom” it’s about tyranny. If it says “protect” it means persecution, and if it says “children” just mentally append “fuck” in front of it.
Right, but I don’t think I even want “choice”. I just want the best. The best education, the best food, the best healthcare. If there isn’t any choice…that’s fine as long as it’s high quality.
And what are you willing to give to the society around you? Your best? Is that what you’re doing right now? I sure hope so because otherwise you sound like a petulant child.
We need to stop saying right vs left framing. It’s the wealthy class propaganda technique. Poor people that are “conservative” are in most cases just tricked by these parasitic ghouls that spend money to lie to people to work against their own self interests.
The average maga voter isn’t the mind behind the propaganda they parrot.
This is exactly the point.
They live in a controlled information environment; much like the Russian people who think Ukraine is full to the brim with Nazis.
They have been force fed hate and bigotry for decades at this point. They are not blameless, but also they don’t deserve all the hate that is projected at them.
As pointed out, the education system is gutted, thus they are not curious and checking their biases; it is normalized for them to be hateful toward “others”; their whole world is small and full of fear.
I pity them their small pathetic lives, and dislike them for their shitty views. The only thing I hate is that the stupid bigotry seems to be spreading around the world.
I mean, I agree with you on all this, but I have a very hard time seeing how this is relevant to my comment. The topic was conservative propaganda techniques, not hating conservative voters. I despise them, but hate is too strong a word for me to feel for any person.
Because of all this competition we have in the market! With many schools near your home, they compete for your conforming child’s business. What with the labor shortage, we have all these employers with that good health insurance competing for our time. And of course, small farmers are doing great and supply our many competing food markets.
It’s the I can afford it so screw you, individual short term thinking.
It assumes they’ll never need help themselves especially as they get older.
Because they are idiots and evil politicians and news media spin it that way.
They’ve done the decades of work to turn people against unions, convincing MAGAts that unions are proto-communist organizations that extort unfair wages though dishonest practices while sitting around not working. They have people looking over at them saying “how come you get paid so much?” Instead of “I should get paid that much too.”
People are dumb. Whatcha gonna do.
They never stop to question how successful long lasting companies that have been unionized for decades are still around
Can’t you guys just rob banks like normal crooks?
The crooks run the banks actually
US politics as seem by Europeans:
except blue is more like “we’re strongly opposed to diarrhea forever, but this undercooked fish should be good in the fridge for another few days right?”
As a European, to me it looks like blue is a free puppy, like the picture.
As a European, can you explain why you also keep voting in the diarrhea candidates?
Because we Europeans are almost as fucked in the head as you Americans.
Spoiler
If I had to take a guess what the root cause is, I’d say the problem lies in the difference between the culturally transported image of reality (propaganda, advertisement, algorithmic bubbles etc) and the longing for a life according to human nature (community, good food, sense of belonging and usefulness, spiritual fulfillment etc)
I don’t, so I can’t explain why other people do it.
If I had to guess?
Fear.
Religion.
You know when the powerful countries infiltrate 3rd world countries and trigger overthrowing the government?
This is what currently is happening in US and Europe.
Russia is the main one driving it. They infiltrate, bribe politicians, influence public opinion via social media. If they win they start looting the country for themselves, but also using the funding to help sister parties in other countries to do the same.
This is why they all seem to have very similar views, that also “magically” align with what Kremlin views.
This is very cheap campaign for Russia to destroy the Western world, kill EU and divide Europe.
Every politician and influencer involved in this movement should be tried as traitors that they are.
This is what currently is happening in US and Europe.
If that’s what is happening in the US and Europe, what just happened in Columbia?
Yeah, why trump is paying $1B to Columbian far right president that he helped win?
Same as Orban paid Republicans, same as Polish right wing helped Fidesz.
They all are working together.
American here. The blue option is indeed puppies for everyone. But you’re getting the rest wrong because you live in a country with an actual functioning government. Nothing in the picture said the puppies were free. The puppies are shipped in large Priority Mail flat rate boxes for $34. To receive a puppy, you must first submit Form HUD-9473126-K9B with an attached $200 money order. Processing time is 6-9 weeks upon receipt, and delivery is 2-3 weeks. The government is not responsible for the condition of how the puppy arrives. If your puppy gets damaged, additional forms and fees apply to request a replacement.
But I guess it’s at least not diarrhea forever.
lol, yeah.
I’m only saying what it looks like from afar. I bet it’s garbage up close, still. 😅
I still think free undercooked trout is more accurate
Agree to disagree.
Then you need to look closer. They’re mostly Republicans but blue.
Nah, I don’t think the “both sides are the same” argument is anything but propaganda at this point when Obama brought in free healthcare and Trump brought in the Gestapo.
Saying this as a European.
Both sides are pretty bad, but one is significantly worse than the other
I don’t think the “both sides are the same” argument is anything but propaganda
That’s because you’re not the one getting $50M in eye-gouging political ads between Jon Fetterman and Memet Oz, only to see them agree on practically every issue once the election is over.
The biggest gulfs in opinion tend to be internal party schisms. Mamdani, Eric Adams, and Andrew Cuomo duking it out in an ugly NYC Mayoral primary while the Republicans just heckel from the cheap seats. Or Eric Cantor losing his job as Majority Whip to an even more virulent Anti-tax Christian white nationalist.
It’s not that Both Sides Are The Same, it’s that each side is a fractal kaleidoscope of particular nuanced views. But the consensus that emerges across the national scene tends to be constrained by what corporate sponsors are willing to fund.
Lobbyists write the legislation. Legislators rationalize why they vote for or against it with their campaign jingoisms.
Obama brought in free healthcare
Well that didn’t happen. He brought us a Republican healthcare plan that cemented private insurance into our system and fined people who didn’t have any. The public option got dropped because of captured senators refusing to vote on the bill unless it was removed.
Obama brought in free healthcare
lol no. If anything Obamacare is a textbook example of what I meant - he entered office with a Democrat majority in both Houses and the Supreme Court and a huge public mandate to get it done, and still ended up abandoning all his stated plans for a system where big business interests got their entrenched positions solidified by law.
It would be wrong to call Obama a fascist, but he did less than nothing to dismantle the oligarchy that lead to where we are now.
The chair of the Democratic party just tried to secretly meet with a known fascist and white supremacist, not to mention constantly votes against universal healthcare, or maybe I should mention previous votes supporting warrantless searches. but okay, go ahead and tell me about when I had free healthcare, because I sure as fuck don’t recall that happening.
Edit: dont even get me started on Israel. Calling these fuckers left leaning is an insult to pretty much every actually left leaning group in the US.
The chair of the Democratic party just tried to secretly meet with a known fascist and white supremacist,
I’m not sure if this is ignorance or propaganda, but Ken Martin is the chair of the DNC, not Hakeem Jeffries. The neolibs are making as much noise as they can so low info voters continue to think they control the DNC, but in reality they lost that control in 2024.
The Obama administration also put children in wire fence cages.
Trump is the worst because his predecessors were bad.
And we aren’t even talking about foreign policy, we’re talking about what has been going on on American soil.
There’s is a thread that goes from Bill Clinton
creatingusing the meme of the welfare queen to DOGE.There’s is a thread that goes from Bill Clinton creating the meme of the welfare queen to DOGE.
That was famously Ronald Reagan. Not sure why anyone would pay attention to anything else you say after fucking that up that bad.
Yeah he got that wrong, but I think this still highlights the dynamic at play. Regan pushed the horrible cultural narrative around welfare, but then he was followed by Clinton saying he was going to “end welfare as we know it.” Softer language than Regan, but pushing in the same policy direction, enabled by Regan’s earlier propaganda, and in the act of making it bipartisan, he normalized it as a position that we’ve been stuck with ever since.
I may have fumbled that reference, but Bill Clinton managed to make a bipartisan effort to reduce welfare work.
JFC, Bill Clinton signed the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act because he wanted to look tough on crime, but Trump is the big bad boogeyman that came out of nowhere.
Cut me some fucking slack and stop looking at Democrats through rose-tinted glasses, for Christ’s sake.
Right, but we are seeing it from over here, so…
Is that a “both sides” argument?
No, it’s a “ratchet effect” argument. Dems are opposed to fascism in principle, but have shown no interest in stopping the root causes that lead to it.
Not just Europeans. Pretty much every other country in the world with a functioning government.
Maybe even alien civilizations look down with disgust!
I’m sure Europeans everywhere are offended at you referring to their colonies like that.
Both pictures should be the guy on the shitter, but label the blue side “Diarrhea Forever Apologists”.
Forever? How dare you! We just need diarrhea for this one most important election of our lifetimes. I refuse to acknowledge anything beyond a single iteration.
Is it because instead of trying to improve the lives of people in a meaningful way. They think giving everyone a puppy will be the solution?
While not once realising that 350 million puppies is going to require some serious imports, quarantines, vacinations, construction of holding facilities (i guess they could repurpose their concentration camps), employees to oversee the puppies while in quarantine, vets to administer vacines. Janitors and cleaners to maintain the premises.
So… instead of just giving everyone universal healthcare. They’ll spend twice as much on puppies. That sure does sound like the US in a nutshell
70% of Americans support universal healthcare
This is not a Red vs Blue issue.
This is a class warfare issue
https://resisth8.com/gov-politics/universal-healthcare-for-all/
I never said it was a red v blue thing. Just that neither will give it to you. One will try to give you something else because the want you to think you might get it. While the other will just tell you up front to get lost
I totally get the point. But to be fair, the US has such a high GDP that it could afford all of this. But, it would require taxing the wealthy a bit more.
Or they could have just sat home and not blow up their entire arsenal in Iran. While selling those weapons to EU that is buying them to donate to Ukraine.
That alone would have been enough. Without even increasing taxes on anything
Those are all really good ideas. And on top of that I’d also suggest taxing the wealthy a bit more.
And on top of that I’d suggest taxing corporations. Instead of doing the opposite, giving them tax exemptions
Puppy is right, not really a solution, good PR, and not diarrhea forever. And in the comments, you can even begin to guess who would be claiming that they are not a real solution so you should vote against free puppies and vote for diarrhea forever to shake up the system.
You know, so they offer something better next time even though next time everyone’s toilet and sewer system is going to be backed up and in need of dire repair by then as well because and also, everyone is suffering from diarrhea forever now so much that everyone would just be happy to not be suffering from diarrhea forever now, forget about the free puppies.
Regrettably this is sold as “The government steals your money to buy immigrants puppies” vs “Your freedom to choose which self-regulating corporation’s food you buy–free market in action!”
And more regrettably people believe it against all evidence.
us outsourced thier diarrhea from a farm in the south of the us.
That is a sack of shit in a blue coat. He can fuck right off.
"I love the poorly educated! " - trump
They’re just so much easier to fool into voting against their own best interests
Fitting given his narcissism.
Trump is certain that he is the smartest person in the room at all times
And he’s only correct when he gets to choose the crowd
If they want to dismantle a union, start with police unions. But I’m sure that’s the one and only union they would support. Tells you something about these assholes. And police.
Counterpoint: Unions who break up strikes aren’t unions
Police aren’t working class, I don’t make the rules
True. They’re the ruling class’ private army. They don’t count.
except police unions arent true unions, just a mafia/gang that can strongarm a city to give it what it wants for protection.
that’s what an ideal union is
Exceeeeppppptttt when the union in question is full of members who’s job it is to put people in cages like animals, most of the time without need. Also when a side effect of the job of the members is murder of innocent civilians and protesters.
that isn’t relevant to the quality of the union, it juat makes the entire job evil
I have to disagree with you here, you can’t group police unions described in my last comment to, say, coal miner unions which got the miners and their families paid in US dollars, got them out of broken down and expensive company housing, raised their wages to living levels, and generally raised generations of entire regions out of poverty before the mines were automated or shut down.
ETA: Also, other types of unions don’t terrorize civilians when they don’t vet their way, other types of unions hurt the BOSSES and capitalists and are generally integrated into the community, not trying to lord over it.
All public sector unions should be disbanded.
I work in the public sector working in health and fitness. Should my union be dismantled?
Yes if you are a public sector employee. There’s not an owner or management for you to negotiate against
There definitely is management. What about people like NHS staff? Nurses, porters, doctors working in public health, are they also disqualified from union activity?
Yes. All public sector unions. There isn’t a true counter party in the public sector, the union is bargaining against the people. This leads to a perverse incentive where “management” essentially agrees to anything as there’s no benefit to disagree.
The management is government/parliament. Public sector jobs are much harder to negotiate anything because it tends to come with hard rules for every minute detail.
If what your saying about no true counter party was to be true, we would see well paid NHS staff. Where as in the UK its been recorded that nurses are using food banks. A similar story for those working in finance, leaving university with an economics degree, people can enter the private sector which pays very well or go public like my ex partner had which pays much less.
We also see unions in public education, again in the UK, teachers and teaching assistance haven’t seen real wage increases since before the 2008 recession.
In short I disagree, I believe we need strong fighting unions in our public sector more than ever.
