You’re old, straight, white and rich, motherfucker – YOU’RE going to be “ok.” Everyone else is fucked.
The “American experiment” as far as I am aware is one of “self-governance”.
It arguably has never been tried in earnest since the founding of this country, at very least failed entirely in 2016 with Russia’s influence and the zero consequences that arose from that, and was likely dealt a critical blow by the citizens united decision which all but guaranteed that rich people would decide our elections for us in the future.
We voted ourselves into what I’m now pretty convinced is an unshakable oligarchy. You’ll get what the rich, international oligarchs want you to have and nothing else. They’ve built bunkers in New Zealand and the Ozarks for when the consequences come knocking at their doors.
Press X to doubt.
I really can’t understand the level of “history is over here” most of the West seems to be on. It’s a delusion that has to break down eventually, but apparently we’re not there yet.
“The American experiment endures,”
I would say it just failed. I’m sorry but a system that elects a rapist, a 34 times convicted felon, one who defrauds students, cages children, takes away human rights, praises nazi’s and dictators, and this was just the first term. I’m sorry but by any metric I care to meaure it by this is a failed experiment.
Why didn’t you prosecute any treasonous criminals? Useless coward.
Imagine being an indigenous woman and hearing this.
https://www.bia.gov/service/mmu/missing-and-murdered-indigenous-people-crisis
By we he means, them and their wealthy friends, and the celebrities they paraded during the last campaign. Struggling people can eat dirt.
And this is exactly what’s wrong with the Democrats, and why Biden never should’ve run. They’re too comfortable in their big houses with all their money and privilege. They have no fucking idea what it’s like for most Americans, and clearly they don’t care because they’ve never had to. There is no party in the US to fight for regular people, so they didn’t vote.
And this is exactly what’s wrong with the Democrats, and why Biden never should’ve run.
Biden was there to beat Bernie.
There is no party in the US to fight for regular people, so they didn’t vote.
Greens are still here! I think we got 600,000 votes this year.
A vote for Stein this year was a vote for Trump. Vote green in your local and state elections to get support growing, don’t vote for them for president when they aren’t even on enough ballots to win and the alternative is a literal hitler-worshipper.
Are you fucking kidding me, Jill Stein is your answer? Jill I don’t know how many people are in the House of Representatives and I refuse to call Putin a war criminal Stein?
Fuck the Green party. Jill Stein crawls out of its crypt every 4 years to spend russia’s money and steal progressive votes away from the Democratic candidate.
They are shit but they cant be alarmist reactionaries either. They need change but trying to encourage stability and console people isnt the worst
Except that they’ve spent the last 6 months telling everyone that it’s a choice between them and fascism. Then when fascism comes they’re like “oh well, we tried”.
I’m just hoping that this loss will eventually make the Dems look inward, but I’m not holding my breath when he’s saying shit like this.
Very valid point, just goes to show the hyperbolic shit flinging that is the core of American politics.
Fascism is something to be alarmed about! It’s an existential threat to democracy!
The Democrats had 4 years to do something about it and didn’t. “Vote for us or else” is not a long term strategy, all it takes is losing one or two elections.
3 days ago, it was going to be the last election, the ultimate election, the end times, the end of democracy. Now we’ll be fine?
Pre-election Dems and post-election Dems cannot both be right. One of the two is lying.
it’s just that democrats give republicans too much good faith and try to be the better people; both things can be true.
So… pre-election Democrats were not being the better people??? I really don’t get this.
I am convinced that Project 2025 is coming to your country and that trumpism is the most dangerous modern day neo-fascist strain. I actually believe the pre-election Democrats. You don’t appease fascism, you don’t give it good faith, you resist it, you fight it, you crush it.
This about-face of the post-election Democrats is insane and it feeds directly into the “boy who cried wolf” narrative that the Right is pushing. Not to mention they are normalizing trumpism.
pre election democrats were literally warning about everything that has been planned since tuesday…
the point is democrats always go the high road with “ok we must work together” regardless of what evil shit republicans do because they put too much (imo) trust in the jimmy stewart era
I have never felt a desire to become a terrorist. Until Tuesday night.
Does Biden seriously think Trrump will let him retire in peace? He needs to flee the country before Trump is sworn in or he and his family will be arrested. There’s no way Trump will let go the man who beat him, the man who made him look like a fool, the man who was going to have him arrested during his presidency.
Even Taylor Swift might be facing issues.
Trump cannot commit crimes as a president. There’s no such thing as murder for him anymore.
Biden is rich he’ll be just fine. Donnie talks a big talk but when push comes to shove money and connections are everything and Biden still has those. Just today they’re reporting he’s “paving the way for a smooth transition” or some other bullshit.
The rest of us are fucked but the rich and powerful will be the least fucked.
Oh so it’s not just Biden who is delusional
Were you in a coma for Jan 6? They were going to execute Nancy Pelosi. Speaking of, they hit Nancy Pelosi’s rich white husband on the head with a hammer. She didn’t embrass Cheetoh even 10% of what Biden did. Biden beat him. Trump is a literal narcissist. Idk how to be more clear.
Men, most people really, just cannot fathom the depths of male abuse ig. Always gotta run interference for male abusers, even with obvious serious abuse histories, as your default rhetoric. Maybe stop doing that and start empathizing with victims. I’m telling you that man’s psychology will not allow him to let Biden live peacefully. Not to mention Trump is literally Putin’s puppet, another raging narcissist, and Biden cost Putin billions. It was found in court he colluded with Russia. America Kompromat by Unger shows a long history of blackmail by Russia to Americans including Trump. Active Measures documentary with John McCain and Hilary Clinton does as well.
What is happening next is 2 fold:
- Proxy war. Trump will destroy America as much as possible from the inside for Russia
- Theft. Wars only result in an economic boom if we are essentially grave robbing the loser. What’s about to happen is a massive wealth transfer from the US to Russia and other countries. They will absolutely be killing off wealthy white men. They’ll kill everyone. They literally don’t care. This is a war and has been since the 2016 election. And you refuse to see it.
There we go, gotta make it a gender thing instead the actual FUCKING RICH RULING CLASS EVERYONE even though both Biden and Trump are men.
Refuting your little essay isn’t even worth the time. Did they hang Pence? Did they “get” Nancy Pelosi? Or are those people still rich and living in their mansions?
You realize an angry mob or a psycho with a hammer is quite a bit different than an orchestrated, targeted hit right?
Fucking pearl clutching morons.
Omfg it’s a gender thing BECAUSE YOUR GENDER IS ACTIVELY WORKING TO ENSLAVE MINE AGAIN. AGAIN!!!
So you think that violence doesn’t count? Nancy Pelosi’s husband being hospitalized isn’t violent enough?
Trump has survived 2 assassination attempts himself since this. Biden doesn’t need to survive a coordinated attack. He needs to survive every interaction he has with a stranger from now until he dies, plus hope he will avoid prison by Trump, plus hope that once he’s jailed and in prison, he doesn’t get Epsteind or Navalny’d.
Bruh Trump is starting this presidency off with trying to remove birth right citizenship and denaturalize 25 million Latinos, about 23 million of whom are here legally. They didn’t do anything to him - they voted for him and he’s going to deport them. Biden actively thwarted him and you think he’ll just be cool with it? Lol you’re projecting the moron thing. I think it’s more that you’re unable to refute me in any substantial way - I’ve already listed two major sources about Russian collusion for instance. Cute try at intellectualism though. Some things you can’t bully your way into.
There’s truly no war but the class war comrade. Let’s suppose Biden is taken out, nothing would be lost and it’d serve his milquetoast ruling class self right, wouldn’t it?
Btw pretty insulting for you to assume anything about my gender or color or orientation or creed or anything elsebecause I think your take is halfassed. This started long before 2016.
But hey I guess we can just wait around and see if Donnie does anything to Biden or if Biden just fades away and hangs out on a private beach somewhere.
Lol yes, I love being gaslighted.
If you can’t see how this specific Russian war offensive began in 2016
If you can’t see the ongoing war men have had on women resulting in our literal enslavement
If you can’t understand intersectionality so you just tantrum and refuse to acknowledge it
If you can’t see the ongoing war white people have had on PoC
That’s on you!
We are all dead to climate change anyway!
But yes clearly the fascist dictator will be cool with his rival. We only have a few months to find out. And when I’m right, I won’t DM or comment back to you because your opinion was always worthless anyway.
You’re building a whole lot of strawmen.
The rightwing fight has been going on since shortly after FDRs New Deal, over 70 years. The wealthy hated it and immediately set about funding right wing think tanks to undo it’s progress. They’ve been exceptionally successful and those thinktanks are now pipelines used to funnel judges and policy wonks into positions where they have power.
This is so much bigger than Russia or Gender and the fact that you think those are the actual fights really highlights why “the left” can’t ever get it’s shit together while the right votes in lockstep yet again. You can’t see the forest for the tree.
Do you really think Biden was on any of our sides? Do you really think this is a new thing? That fascists just crawled out of the woodwork in the last 8 years?
Tell you what, I wish you were right, that might galvanize someone and prove the danger but it won’t happen. Biden will open his presidential library and the country will continue circling the drain, yelling into the void while the right snatches more of our rights. But hey you can point at Trump and say “typical man!” like it means anything.
What a fucking tool.
Good job, Biden. You care so much about your legacy? Guess what: your legacy is now “one of the hubristic egotistical dipshits that made so many unforced errors that you basically opened the fucking door for the fascists to take over”. You’ll be remembered alongside the likes of Neville Chamberlain and Paul von Hindenburg. You absolute fucking chode. You lost the fucking republic.
“I know people are still hurting, but things are changing rapidly. Together we’ve changed America for the better. Now we have 74 days to finish the term, our term. Let’s make every day count.”
Jesus fucking Christmas. Nothing will penetrate his perfect shield of fantasy.
Well I mean, what would you say in that position? It’s hardly going to help any to come out and announce that everything is fucked and you’d probably also be pretty disinclined to say nothing of note was achieved in your own administration or that there isn’t really enough time to do much of anything in the remaining period.
The beginning and end of Leadership is accountability. The Dems refuse to accept their part in this loss.
The President and Vice President have zero outward indications that this is personally painful to them, at all. If anything, they seem relieved to be passing the potato. If they are so out of touch, or so insulated from the pernicious outcomes of their doleful stewardship of this country, then WHY should voters place their trust in that party again, considering it’s been helmed and staffed by the same obstinate members for decades?
I don’t see Leadership, I see a kind of craven capitulation, at a time when America most needs its leaders to have fire in their bellies, and compassion in their eyes.
He could resign right now and let Kamala finish the term, ruining the millions of dollars of “47” merch on the market.
In the long run, we will all be dead, and none of this will matter.
Thank you President Seymour!
Ayy, how apt.
How Keynesian.
Just a bunch of suffering between now and then. No big.
There’s a lot of time left on the clock.
Are you sure?
Maybe we can just do project sundial now and call it good (thanka Kurtzgesagt for letting us know it exists right before election day lmao)
I had to unsub from them during the pandemic. Too much existential dread and they just kept piling it on with video after video lol
Honestly I thought about it, I’m terrified by the results, but even if things have to get worse over the next 4 years before they get better, the young generation has the time to turn it around. The will to improve? That’s still unknown to me.
I feel bad for Jimmy Carter seeing what his country has become…
At least following MAGA logic, starting next year we can say that Trump is causing the hurricanes, droughts, tornadoes and floods. Mother nature asking nicely hasn’t seemed to get it in people’s heads.
You realize that MAGA logic says that all of those things are the Democrats fault, and reason to persecute them. Only good things are from Trump.
So do something about it. Where’s the Dark Brandon we fucking need?
There was never a dark Brandon, it was only a meme Libs used to cope and pretend their wet cardboard of a president was respectable.
You are going to be fine
Stop with the Lemmy circle jerk
It must be nice being a rich white man.
You are going to be fine
You can’t know that. If you don’t want to hear people’s despair, that’s fine, block it. But don’t pretend that has anything to do with some supposedly “fine” future – just be upfront about the fact that you don’t care. Might as well; uncaring people are doing pretty well for themselves these days.
I would rather overreact and we all end up fine than underreact and watch my friends be imprisoned and/or executed.
You know there are people in this world today who actually have to deal with issues without playing a victim online after an election campaign.
Tasteless
My mother and sister will lose access to healthcare after the Republicans repeal Obamacare.
They will lose access to food aid when the federal entitlement programs are gutted.
Suffering is not a competition. Your broken leg doesn’t heal my broken arm.
You find our laments annoying? Hold on sunshine, because we’re just getting started.
watch my friends be imprisoned and/or executed.
The original claim.
Obama care is not getting repealed it makes insurance parasites too much money. Red herring there too…
Trump again calls to ‘replace’ Obamacare, reopening a fight Republicans tried to close.
House Speaker Mike Johnson criticizes Obamacare and promises ‘massive reform’ if Trump wins.
Insurance companies aren’t the ones in charge.
You may continue to believe one person’s suffering is more important than another, and you can try to shout down anyone expressing any fears you personally don’t “vibe” with. I’m not going to tone police you. But someday, you might find yourself needing to speak out, and I hope you meet someone like yourself when that happens. I’m sure you’ll feel grateful to them.
He promised the same in 2016 but here we are 🤡
A lot of people thought that Roe v. Wade would never get repealed, either.
People keep ignoring the terrible shit Republicans say that they want to do, because they’re skeptical that it’ll happen. If you don’t want bad things to happen, then quit voting for people who say that they want to do bad things.
🤦
Trump supported congressional Republican repeal-and-replace efforts, but they ultimately failed. One example is the American Health Care Act, a bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act subsidies and regulations that the House passed in May 2017, but failed to pass in the Senate. In June 2020, Trump’s administration asked the U.S. Supreme Court to block the law, but the court dismissed the case.
The reason he failed in his first term is because the legislation died in the Senate, and the legal challenge died in the Supreme Court – which are both now overwhelmingly Republican.
But you knew that. In which case you’re being disingenuous. Or you didn’t. In which case you are lazy and ignorant. In either case it’s pretty clear that your only goal here is to waste my time. I’m through teaching Civics 101 for the day.
You mean like Ukrainians? When Putin just won the election?
Anywhere people are living under occupation…
That clown ain’t getting imprisoned or executed.
Hyperbolic statement is tasteless.
Ah yes. Like LGBTQ+ people?
Do you have any evidence that Trump wants to imprison and execute LGBT people?
What about the 25million Latinos in the US that project 2025 wants to denaturalize forcibly?
Tell that to the families who lost daughters due to the fact that doctors legally couldn’t help them during miscarriages.
Mildly? I’m radicalized as fuck. This is the most infuriating shit. Fucken useless ass democrats are only good at constructing elaborate and expensive footguns. They couldn’t read the fucken room and hear people screaming for any change at all.
I’ve changed man, since then. I don’t know how I feel about the Democrats, but I’m devastated over who voted Republican. So many people in this country voted for him. It wasn’t just we had low turnout, but also just that he had so much. That’s the disheartening thing for me, that still, with everything we know, he still carries 50% of this country easily. So yeah, we had too few, but worse, he has too many.
Right? I found pre-election solace in knowing that even though his cult will never turn on him, he couldn’t have possibly gotten MORE supporters in the past 4 years.
Turns out they LOVE the hate and they want more of it.
Sorry, Mindless Americans, it’s not Trump’s fault anymore, it’s YOURS.
That’s what I’ve come around to. It’s not him. He’s a figurehead that we apply blame but it’s not. It’s the people - the public. They want this. They have the fear and the hate, they actively want it. If America didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have voted him in. Even with tampering/whatever, if America didn’t, he wouldn’t be there. But America does want him, and that’s a very sobering and sad thought to me. I try to live with a simple code - do what you want, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. I learned yesterday that most American’s don’t have similar values.
IMO that’s way off base. People want change. They know they’re getting screwed, and the grifter is promising change. He’s lying and I think most people know that, but the fact that they’d take a convicted felon over what the DNC offered up is a crushing repudiation.
Bernie would’ve mopped the floor with Trump, because he also offers change. Someone like Obama would’ve too, even though there was a paucity of actual change during his terms.
We need to drag the DNC kicking and screaming off of the corporate dick it’s sucking, and get it left enough to offer real change, and people will vote for it in droves.
How is voting for a literal past president any kind of change? America chose hate and blame this week.
He will bring lots of change. None of it good, but the DNC should view that as a crushing repudiation of their approach. They can’t even blame the Electoral College, they fucked up that badly. Hopefully they’ll learn a goddamn thing or two and run someone offering positive change.
Part of me blames the collective memory loss of the COVID years and a complete lack of understanding of cause and effect.
It’s like everyone forgot there was this massive global pandemic which absolutely killed entire industries. And even though the important parts were propped up during the lean times by government support, that support ended eventually, with the economy still a mess that couldn’t just be put back together like nothing happened.
I mean, people at that time didn’t even have a concept of what was going on. They have no idea how much money was spent keeping the lights on. People lost their shit over the billions it would cost to forgive student loans, but had no idea how many more billions were already spent on—and abused by—businesses whose pandemic loans were forgiven by the government.
Everyone forgot the pandemic was only as bad as it was in the US because it was so completely mishandled by the Trump administration. We could have had everything back to normal a lot sooner if there was even a little bit of national preparedness, not to mention if we didn’t have all the misinformation spread by his own administration.
So when the economy went to shit in 2021-2022 during the Biden administration, people shrugged their shoulders and put the blame on the old man in the white house, despite the fact that it’s been on a recovery trend during this last year. And so Trump’s first year is going to start with stronger markets, he’ll get the credit, and then things will get worse just in time for someone else to take the blame for it.
It doesn’t matter how well “the economy” recovered from Covid, when you see stuff like this:
https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/
Trump isn’t going to fix that, but Biden already didn’t, and FPTP means you get your pick of those two options.
Do you have figures that include 2024? That data seems to stop at 2021. Not saying you’re wrong but the picture being painted is just Biden’s first year as president during the height of the pandemic.
Comparing things like rates of inflation and the consumer price index, we see the numbers drop dramatically within the past two years, which seems to have been improving cost of living somewhat (or, ruining less quickly, at least) for the average American, though there is still a lot more to be done.
Apparently people see him as the strongman lesser evil who’s gonna bring back economy, “fix” illegal immigration (both of which the current administration has done), and keep status quo on energy and abortion. I blame the Democrats for not campaigning on their successes.
They DID campaign on their successes, but nobody believed that anything had gotten better because they still couldn’t afford groceries.
The food scarcity percentage (sometimes or often not being able to afford groceries) is down 1%, but yeah it might not be noticeable. I don’t think Harris’s campaign did anything substantial on the other economic stuff, though. In trying to campaign a message of change, it seems like they neglected their incumbent successes and failed at both.
I’ve tried talking to trumpers to point out the double standards, contradictions, and outright lies. They don’t listen, just ad hominem or whatabout out of it.
So much whatabout. Are they actually convincing themselves this way, or do they realize it’s stupid but just don’t have anything else to say?
Trump sexually assaulted people and was convicted of fraud.
Whatabout Hillary’s emails and Hunters laptop?
First off, those people aren’t running for president AND it’s not fucking RAPE AND FRAUD!!!
I’ve tried talking and that doesn’t work, I’ve also tried being kind and all that shit no dice. But everyone gets upset when I say let’s shoot them, so please tell me more about how it’s my fault.
I’ll say it for you. Thomas Crooks was THIS close to being an American hero.
Ah yes, openly advocating murder of your political opponents. Keep telling us how you have the moral high ground.
Nobody seemed to mind when Hans Gruber fell from Nakatomi Plaza.
Or when the Wicked witch of the West got splashed with water.
Or when The Death Star exploded.
And I don’t give a fuck how rapists and felons, and the people that defend them, feel about what I say.
You forgot all the failed Hitler assassinations, nobody cried over those either
Republicans actively work for an uneducated population they can rule. That’s the root of this problem.
The research is out, more educated people are more likely to vote Democrat, but if you ever point that out, all you get back is “I know YOU are, but what am I?”
Did we have low turnout?
Last numbers I saw is that Trump more or less got the same amount of votes as 2020 while Harris got 15 million less votes than Biden.
Don’t forget we only have about 87% reporting right now. So far turnout seems on track to be about the same as 2020.
At least 1930s Germans could say their cizenry didn’t vote for Hitler. We Americans can’t say the same. I’m so ashamed of snd angry at my fellow Americans.
I’m radicalized too. Wanna start a club? We could be the happy fun clan against fascism. Need a shorter name though
No, I want to join an existing massive one and change it at its very core to be something radical that we can wield. Wait a minute…
lets call it the antifascism club. antifa for short.
How about the Kool Kids Klan?
Nah. Gotta shorten it. Just abbriviate it, and help me with these white sheets. We need to maks ghost costumes.
I can’t really blame the Democrats. The public is who failed. The Democrats ran a sane adult. That alone should have been enough to beat Trump.
The Democrats didn’t turn out to vote for Kamala, so yes, you can still blame the Democrats.
Some extracts from a great comment from another user on lemmy (readfanon). I’ll paste this here seems you seen to think that the Democrats did nothing wrong, it is the “left” voters who failed them :
1-You are chasing the DNC to the right and one day you will wake up and wonder to yourself “How did I end up all the way over here?” I’m not following you into that marsh but you’re welcome to go into it yourself, just don’t get upset at me when I point out what you’re heading into and don’t get angry when I refuse to blindly follow you.
2-Historically, fascism has never been stopped at the ballot box. You being convinced that this is possible does not sway my opinion on any matter aside from my estimation of your political awareness and your ability to achieve change.
3-You had four years (eight+ if you count Trump’s regime and the lead-up to it in this calculation) to “stop fascism”. What did you do in this period of time? Did you push Biden and Kamala to adopt policies which have mass support? Did you do anything except go to back to brunch?
4-You aren’t entitled to others’ votes. Stop pretending that you are.
5-We aren’t splitting the so-called left, Kamala Harris did that all by herself.
6-You have no red lines. There is nothing that could make you not support Kamala Harris and we know it. Telling people to drop their standards and ignore their conscience to vote for Kamala is a fatal strategy and you killed her campaign by deploying it.
7-Almost all of your arguments for voting for Kamala Harris (aside from the “it will stop Trump” argument which, in retrospect, appears to be a dismal failure) also apply to reasons for voting for Trump. “You can push them left”, “By voting we will get a seat at the table”, “Voting third party or not voting at all is a wasted vote”, “We have to vote this way to protect the country”, “Politics is about comprise - you cannot expect them to be your perfect political candidate”, and whatever hold-your-nose-and-vote arguments you trot out. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is that you do not find these arguments for voting Trump to be convincing?
8-Last time Trump got elected you were brutally vindictive. You took glee in the thought of people in red states and marginalised groups suffering due to policy and things like natural disasters, regardless of their politics or how they chose to vote. You were excited to tell these people that they were going to get deported and put into concentration camps. You will do it again this time too because you have learned nothing. November came and these people you targeted with your vicious schadenfreude remembered. They aren’t going to forget how effortlessly you abandoned them and how you wished the worst suffering and ill-fate upon them.
None of those excuses justifies voting for a clearly insane man. You don’t look at a normal person and a guy screaming about eating cats and say “that cat eating guy is the one out of the two who should have the nuclear codes”. It’s fucking moronic.
And half of it is either not true for me personally, based on some hefty assumptions even if applied generally, etc…
No its not when people are in agony. To them, this is their torch. This is how fascism rises.
We made it through the Recession and COVID-19, but now people are in agony? No fucking way. They chose fascism because they are awful.
Yeah. Fascism rises further because Americans voted for it, not because of the candidate.
More important to have a Chad than anything.
