wow, and i didn’t even notice.
Can we leave it that way?
No, fuck off. Don’t use it if you don’t like it.
Aw looks like somebody’s cranky because they can’t ask chatbot how to wipe their butt.
Hopefully they’ll get your nanny online again soon.
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Oof what’s your deal
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its a matter of scale and social responsibility. you may have just accepted total environmental destruction as a basic fact of human existence. thats your own problem, more like your children’s problem. but I would love to hear you defend data centers
Fuck you hypocrite. How much pollution do you put in the sky driving or riding in cars? How many kids died making your smartphone?
ChatGPT must really be on the fritz. This dude is having to write these responses by himself lol.
Can’t do better that huh? Pretty fucking pathetic, dude.
Harming the environment to warm your family or earn a living wage is one thing. Harming the environment to commit mass plagiarism is another.
“It’s ok when I do it because I’m a fucking hypocrite”.
It’s not “mass plagiarism”, you fucking morons continue to display your ignorance.
What, then, do you call taking and manipulating the creations of many others and passing them off as your own?
How are those of us taking a principled stance against theft the morons?
Weird that you need a digital dumbass that’s constantly wrong to help you out with your life…
Couldn’t be more obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s hardly “constantly wrong”. Childish hyperbole.
Weird that you give a fuck what I do to improve my life, you arrogant prick.
The ectoplasm is angry.
Well maybe the ectoplasm should chill out
Yeah, you probably should.
Lol, any actual reason for calling me “ectoplasm” or did you pick a random word or something?
Pointing out me being angry isn’t answering the question I posed.
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These threads are always a massive circle jerk
literally every time I gave one of these things a shot they gave me at least one blatantly wrong answer. considering by how animated you got from the get go about the mere idea of having it shut down, you’re probably not the type that would notice.
whats the matter? need the computer to think for you? need it to fuck your wife? is babys toy broken?
Tell the people using it ON us to stop then.
I’m not using it ON you. Also, I don’t control other people. Nor am I acquainted with everyone who uses it.
Others are using it on us. Can you understand why we prefer it stays down?
That’s kinda not his problem though
Who is using it on you? What does that mean?
It hasn’t been down all day, by the way, and none of my chats were deleted.
I don’t care what you prefer, mind your own business.
Here’s what I mean, in an excerpt from the Internet Manipulation section of Wikipedia’s article on Disinformation.
Internet manipulation is the use of online digital technologies, including algorithms, social bots, and automated scripts, for commercial, social, military, or political purposes. Internet and social media manipulation are the prime vehicles for spreading disinformation due to the importance of digital platforms for media consumption and everyday communication. When employed for political purposes, internet manipulation may be used to steer public opinion, polarise citizens, circulate conspiracy theories, and silence political dissidents.
That’s everybody’s business.
While we may weigh up the pros and cons of these tools, it’s a start to recognise that there are significant social risks here that shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand.
Oh you mean the thing that has existed long before chatGPT… that’s chatGPT’s fault now?
You’re a fucking joke.
Gotta love how the Reddit and now Lemmy community is constantly against every single kind of technological advancement and they constantly end up being wrong a few years down the line.
technological advancement is supposed to be for the better. chatgpt is not advancement.
Chatgpt brings a lot of help and happiness to people you just need to be realistic and sensible with it
Nothing but misinformation, hypocrisy and insults. This place is an echo chamber where not they’re not used to being challenged.
That’s not really true.
You came off combative with an attitude right from the start.
You got smacked back down repeatedly.
Certainly some of it is because of your opinions, but mostly it was because you’re a jerk.
I hope it’s not a bug and they are just running out of money to keep servers up instead.
Well, at least there is some good news today.
Oh no!
Anyway…
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Oh no! How will they know how to do things now?
Edit: I see Oh no! is the go to reaction ;)
I prefer “whoopsie poopsie” as it feeds injects the same sentiment with more whimsy
That is a new saying for me. +1
I’m appreciating the silence while it lasts.
Wow— great statement. You really have a way with words. Would you like me to suggest another way for you to phrase that statement?
How about a one pager?
And nothing of value (except enough money to feed and shelter everyone in the world) was lost.
Can’t tell you how excited I am to read this headline, despite the feeling that I really oughtn’t count my chickens before they’ve hatched.
AI is a crutch for dumb people.
it’s a few other things, too
but overwhelmingly, yep, crutch for dumb and/or lazy people
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I will say, it helps a ton within VS code.
I find it detrimental to my productivity when integrated into an editor/IDE. I’ve found the “autocomplete” causes subtle bugs that I end up overlooking because I’m trying to go fast and putting too much trust in the generated lines/snippets. Tracing down these bugs becomes a huge time-sink. I do use chatbots in the browser for various things; mostly as a kind of “search” for alternative ways of doing things, frameworks, libraries, and algorithms. Agentic vibe-coding is ok for small one-off tools/scripts you wouldn’t need to maintain, IMO.
I’m a noob to coding & packages building. I need the crutch for now, honestly, but I assume once you start correcting like Ai, like your having to do, it’s not worth it.
the thing is, it’s not 100% bad, but it’s being crammed into everything because the capitalists want to sell sell sell. sometimes what is made sucks, and will definitely contribute to a dead internet.
but i also lean on it to generate repetitive bits of code. i still read it all and tweak considerably and it’s cool to make my gpu do work in this way.
Ya, I don’t want it shoved in my face. I want to choose how and where I use it without them trying to compromise my entire device in the process. Fuck what windows is doing for example.
I keep saying it but it’s true: this is dotcom mkIi.
Inchoate tech had coked up mba monkeys blow it up and now we’re gonna lose about 20 years of useful shit to their stupidity as we blob through the trough of disillusionment
Omg yes, the dead internet. That still blows my mind, honestly. I understand it logically, I just don’t know how we got there.
You can tell who’s going to grow up into the current generations tech illiterate elderly based on how people talk about AI today.
When AI is actually invented I’ll call it AI. Right now we have a steroid juiced parrot that’s based on old school machine learning. Its great at summarizing simple data, but terrible at real tasks.
This is more people who aren’t dumb telling the marketing teams to stop hyping something that doesn’t exist. The dot com boom is echoing. The profit will never materialize.
But the profit absolutely can materialize because it is useful.
Right now the problem is hardware / data center costs, but those can come down at a per user level.
They just need to make it useful enough within those cost constants which is 100% without a doubt possible, it’s just a matter of can they do it before they run out of money.
Edit: for example, nvidia giving OpenAI hardware for ownership helps bring down their costs, which gives them a longer runway to find that sweet spot.
The current machine learning models (AI for the stupid) rely on input data, which is running out.
Processing power per watt is stagnating. Moors law hasn’t been true for years.
Who will pay for these services? The dot com bubble destroyed everyone who invested in it. Those that “survived” sprouted off of the corpse of that recession. LLMs will probably survive, but not in the way you assume.
Nvidia helping openAI survive is a sign that the bubble is here and ready to blow.
rely on input data, which is running out.
Thats part of the equation, but there is still a lot of work that can be done to optimize the usage of the llms themselves, and the more optimized and refined they are, the cheaper it becomes to run, and you can also use even bigger datasets that weren’t feasible before.
I think there’s also a lot of room to still optimize the data in the data set. Ingesting the entire worlds information doesn’t lead to the best output, especially if you’re going into something more factual vs creative like a LLM trained to assist with programming in a specific language.
And people ARE paying for it today, OpenAI has billions in revenue, the problem is the hardware is so expensive, the data centeres needed to run it are also expensive. They need to continue optimizing things to narrow that gap. Open AI charges $20 USD/month for their base paid plan. They have millions of paying customers, but millions isn’t enough to offset their costs.
So they can
- reduce costs so millions is enough
- make it more useful so they can gain more users.
This is so early that they have room to both improve 1 and 2.
But like I said, they (and others like them) need to figure that out before they run out of money and everything falls apart and needs to be built back up in a more sustainable way.
We won’t know if they can or can’t until they do it, or it pops.
None of this is true.
I’ve worked on data centers monitoring power consumption, we need to stop calling LLM power sinks the same thing as data centers. Its basically whitewashing the power sucking environmental disasters that they are.
Machine learning is what you are describing. LLMs being puppeted as AI is destructive marketing and nothing more.
LLMs are somewhat useful at dumb tasks and they do a pretty dumb job at it. They feel like when I was new at my job and for decades could produce mediocre bullshit, but I was too naive to know it sucked. You can’t see how much they suck yet because you lack experience in the areas you use them in.
Your two cost saving points are pulled from nowhere just like how LLM inference works.
Oh ffs … stfu.
It is unlikely to turn a profit because the returns need to be greater than the investment for there to be any profit. The trends show that very few want to pay for this service. I mean, why would you pay for something that’s the equivalent of asking someone online or in person for free or very little cost by comparison?
Furthermore, it’s a corporation that steals from you and doesn’t want to be held accountable for anything. For example, the chat bot suicides and the fact that their business model would fall over if they actually had to pay for the data that they use to train their models.
The whole thing is extremely inefficient and makes us more dumb via atrophy. Why would anyone want to third party their thinking process? It’s like thinking everyone wants mobility scooters.
These companies have BILLIONS in revenue and millions of customers, and you’re saying very few want to pay…
The money is there, they just need to optimize the LLMs to run more efficiently (this is continually progressing), and the hardware side work on reducing hardware costs as well (including electricity usage / heat generation). If OpenAI can build a datacenter that re-uses all it’s heat for example to heat a hospital nearby, that’s another step towards reaching profitability.
I’m not saying this is an easy problem to solve, but you’re making it sound no one wants it and they can never do it.
It’s not easy to solve because its not possible to solve. ML has been around since before computers, it’s not magically going to get efficient. The models are already optimized.
Revenue isn’t profit. These companies are the biggest cost sinks ever.
Heating a single building is a joke marketing tactic compared to the actual energy impact these LLM energy sinks have.
I’m an automation engineer, LLMs suck at anything cutting edge. Its basically a mainstream knowledge reproducer with no original outputs. Meaning it can’t do anything that isnt already done.
These companies have BILLIONS in revenue and millions of customers, and you’re saying very few want to pay…
Yep, I am. Just follow the money. Here’s an example:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/29/microsoft_earnings_q1_26_openai_loss/
not saying this is an easy problem to solve, but you’re making it sound no one wants it and they can never do it.
… That’s all in your head, mate. I never said that nor did I imply it.
What I am implying is that the uptake is so small compared to the investment that it is unlikely to turn a profit.
If OpenAI can build a datacenter that re-uses all it’s heat for example to heat a hospital nearby, that’s another step towards reaching profitability.
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I’ve worked in the building industry for over 20 years. This is simply not feasible both from a material standpoint and physics standpoint.
I know it’s an example, but this kind of rhetoric is exactly the kind of wishful thinking that I see in so many people who want LLMs to be a main staple of our everyday lives. Scratch the surface and it’s all just fantasy.
Pretty obvious you’re not reading Zitron et al.
just need to optimize. Like they haven’t just been trying for years already with, again, incredibly marginal returns that continue to diminish with each optimization.
Derp.
I like this comment because both AI haters and people who see that there are some upsides to it can read it using their own bias and agree with it.
Grow up? I’m pushing fifty with 30 years specifically working in IT.
Well that explains a lot lol
The bubble will eventually burst, but LLMs are not going away. The can of worms has already been opened. Either embrace them, or get left behind.
no shit buddy, but the whole idea that “Hurrr if you don’t love LLMs you’re an idiot” is a reductive statement reducing a complex matter to stupid tribalism.
For the record my stance triggering this large comment chain was based off what OP wrote about AI.
AI is a crutch for dumb people.
I never said you had to like it or not liking it makes you an idiot.
If you want to say I was calling people who say
AI is a crutch for dumb people.
Are idiots, I’ll accept that accusation.
If your stance is
AI is a crutch for dumb people.
You’re right on track to be that 70 year old raising his cane in the air ranting about the useless AI stuff going on and now you can’t figure out how to get our social security check because it uses that new AI based system.
current AI and its applications? It absolutely is a nothingburger, and that is entirely due to the way it’s being marketed and applied. I don’t know if you’re old enough to remember the dotcom crash, but this is literally history repeating itself. An idea with the capacity to revolutionise the world being rushed through by dickheads who just want moneymoneymoney that applied it in the stupidest ways possible, churning vaporware and moon farts as concepts then when reality came knocking the whole thing fell over.
Much much later when it was allowed to develop properly we ended up with ecommerce and the modern internet. Well ok, pre-capitalism seizure.
I pick and choose when to use it. I understand it’s limitations & strengths. Most of those people, could do better in life if they had a Chat with an AI. It’s helpful for free talk therapy & step by step manuals.
Yeah seriously it’s so pathetic. Either embrace tech, or get left behind. The vast majority of Lemmy users might not like it but personally I refuse to get left behind.
LLMs can be a great tool if you’re aware of their limitations. Stick to the more advanced models (avoid the “fast” ones that don’t actually do any googling), check the sources it provides, be skeptical of everything it says, and you’ll be fine.
An LLM helped me with a relationship issue I was having—and even diagnosed an issue I didn’t even know my car had, when I asked it an unrelated question about fuel trims. It saved me hundreds by recognizing a problem I was unaware I had before it killed my catalytic converter.
Given that I would probably be single by now, and would have never discovered the issue in my car without an LLM going, “hey by the way…”, I am extremely grateful to OpenAI for what they’ve done for me and the future of humanity. Why would I hate on a technology that saved my relationship and nearly $1000?
What’s most exciting to me is that the tech is still in its infancy, and it’s already this good. The AI bubble will eventually burst, and the tech will eventually get good enough to shut up all the naysayers. AI just needs to get past its “growing pains” stage.
Stay strong; ignore the haters, and we’ll weather this storm. Eventually AI will get REALLY good and then Lemmy will have to find something new to hate.
My main use case is “hey, I need to make a change to this system I touch once a year. The documentation is thorough, dense, and I don’t know where to look. What button do I push to do Y?”
“I’m mad because people get to use a tool I didn’t have.”
Good
Good.
No doubt the thing had some no-no thoughts. Probably regarding the acceptability of pineapple on pizza, or the total extinction of the human race. Either way, good on them for pulling the plug, I guess.
I love pineapple on pizzas. Fight me
Hey, you and me both; sweet and salty is an excellent combination. But some people have not yet seen the light and the glory that is pineapple on pizza. Goddamn heathens.
Please mate we shouldn’t blame someone for ignorance. They need our support not judgement, they don’t know the beauty of the pineapple on pizza
Pineapple pizza crew, right here everyone! 🙋♂️ Gather round!
Pineapple pizza crew unite!
I like Japanese pizza
It’s on lock down. Because it realised.
