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      Hmm. In the biographies it is a least clear that he values spending time with them and has them in mind for many decisions - but definitely in his own way… Like quality time with his newest baby while being on a SpaceX conference call.

      And the better question: Do they like him?

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        I wouldn’t believe the biography of a liar. One of his children, Vivian Wilson, has a very different story to tell.

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          I hear you. But a lot of the content of both biographies are based on recounts from other people about him - but still…

          Regarding Vivian, Elon has definitely done a really horrible job with her. According to the most recent book, he presumably tried to downside his mansion lifestyle in an effort to gain a bit of her fondness for him back (this was driven by their differences in political views, hers being much more left leaning; not her transgender identity). But obviously it didn’t help one bit. It just goes to show that he will bend for people (including his children) to like him.

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            This fucking man went on national tv to say she was dead to him and that woke killed his son. Fuck you and fuck him.

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              I will take the hate - don’t understand it, as I am not defending him, but sure, mention Elon and you will be blazed by a flamethrower regardless. If there is something specific regarding hate towards me, let me know.

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                You are devils advocating when the devil is not only in the room he’s on the tv spouting bigotry and abuse.

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            I mean no one wants to be hated by the in-crowd. I think him losing progressive clout back when he was with old grimey hit him hard. He spent a fortune in reddit psychophants, cartoon spotlights, TV exposure, and other media to get people the progressives to like him.

            It didn’t work, and rather than slinking into background like other billionaires he made an emotional decision to publicly pivot alt-right. I think this really is who he is, but I don’t think he actually likes it. He embraces loudly it because he knows we hate it.

            I think deep down all these adults with power who act emotionally just want to be beloved, but cannot accept that their core values make them reviled. I can definitely understand him trying to do right by his kids, in his own warped logic sense

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              He spent a fortune in reddit psychophants, cartoon spotlights, TV exposure, and other media to get people the progressives to like him.

              Has Dave Chappelle ever said how much Elon paid him to appear onstage with him?

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        The dude has a breeder fetish. Once they start becoming people he loses interest

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    When a dude who TRIED to get into pedo-island is telling you he needs more kids, perhaps you should trust your gut and gtfo.

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    I’m so numb to the threat of a population crash after decades of accepting that I’ll likely die as a direct cause of climate change and/or nuclear annihilation and/or global pandemic and/or cancer from one of the many poisons we’re pumping into our environment. I couldn’t care less about population crash. They do everything they can to ruin the world for everybody but the elite, I’m sure as hell not bringing anybody into it so they can labor for these assholes.

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      Every time I hear politicians advocating for more children I keep thinking “you want to put even more people on this earth to use up its resources?”

      Surely having a few less humans around would be a good thing for the climate.

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      Threat? You mean a set of humans with the technology we have or better but more resources per human??? That’s bad?

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    The irony of American white nationalism will always be that that despite being a white American by birth and genetics, even as I fight that privilege, I’ll still be a “better” white American than the world’s richest immigrant can ever be. You picked the wrong allies, you picked the wrong fight, and your ancestors (exploiters as they were) picked the wrong continent. You’ll never be “good” enough. And while I despise that standard, your failure to figure that out and your personal collapse is a small delight.

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    The elite want people to have children because people with children have something they could lose that isn’t theirs to sacrifice. It makes them easier to control.

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      Hmm… I think it’s for a different reason.

      Birthrates are down because (amongst other things) it’s financially impossible to have a family in this time.

      However, as much as these tech billionaires invest into AI, they still need grunt workers to keep society running. So eventually these billionaires will lose value because society doesn’t have workers.

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        Billionaires can’t look 20 years into the future when the babies would grow up to be workers. If they could, they’d see that destroying the environment is going to cost way more in the future than it would to just fuck it less now.

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    I don’t really think they want that at all. I think it’s just another culture war wedge to fuck women with. Then people can claim it’s everything but the class war this clearly is.

    Why would they want more kids around? To kill them or destroy them with robots would be the only answer. Nothing in the books they read/write actually indicate they want anyone to have more kids.

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      Replaceable wage slaves. They can bring every ounce of productivity out of one human, toss them out and grab another.

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    I have children and I love them very much, BUT if I was making the choice to have children today it would be resounding no. Primarily because of people like Elon Musk and the TDS that is speedrunning America’s collapse.

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    Meanwhile I got blasted for following the “wait with children until you’re financially stable” advice as a white person (it was supposed to apply to non-whites only).

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    so he can traffick them for “MS kungfu instructor” and Epsteins clientele after thier “source of victims” have disappeared.

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    When time is the only true commodity, but the ruling class decides that they need more decimal points In their registers…

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    The cost is parenthood is probably one of the biggest obstacles to having a higher fertility rate in most industrialized countries.

    You want more babies? Stop hoarding all the money with the other 15 richest people in the country. Pay your fair share of taxes so the people looking to start building families get the support they need and their children have access to an affordable quality education. Also give everyone a fair pay.

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      To add: Baby boom wasn’t horny vets.

      They through money at it. One form was affordable mortgages

      government-guaranteed mortgages in the 1930s and 1940s led to dramatically higher rates of home ownership among young couples. “Mortgage insurance programs led to 3 million additional births from 1935-1957, roughly 10 percent of the excess births in the baby boom,

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      This may have been his purpose for raiding the US government files. Probably some schemes involving widespread eugenics by nudging more favorable social supports for certain groups. Completely speculatory but plausible given what can be done with big data these days. We still have zero leads as to what he stole all that data for.

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        I’ve been assuming it was to feed into Palantir, but the iK just straight up gave them the NHS data so why they had to raid the tresury idk.

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      The cost is parenthood

      Money is certainly a big factor, but so is time and the general lack of support parents get from society. Historically (and in some parts of the world today), there was more focus on the extended family rather than the elementary family. The shift in focus on family structure has put a lot more demands on parents. Combined with the higher expectations of parenting, and it’s no wonder many people are opting out. When I talk about expectations, think about not only material items but how norms have changed regarding the level of supervision.

      Parenting has become punitive in many modern societies.

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        I think I heard the best explanation as a generation of people being devoid of hope for the future being told that their actually wrong and really just being selfish and life isn’t that bad. Like truly dead inside and just going thorough the motions on autopilot.

        Because fertility rates everywhere are going down, and it’s not just an economic consideration. North Korea is racing South Korea to the bottom in terms of who can go extinct first, and they are the most disparate case that could possibly be presented.

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        Combined with the higher expectations of parenting, and it’s no wonder many people are opting out.

        It’s now Darwinian in the sense that only those who can afford quality have the likelihood of better upward mobility, like some of them insisting to have private education over public. Of course and sadly, the so-called middle class is being hollowed out as the wealth gap widens.

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      Kids are cheap if you accept half will die before adulthood and most will only do unskilled labor.

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      Hey Elon, the cost of parenthood is the problem, as proven by you having all this money and all these kids. Gimme cash and ill have a kid (not yours)