Trump was already facing multiple criminal and civil suits in 2016. They had 8+ years to hold him accountable for even a single thing, and didn’t.
Yeah this is an important point. If the system lets guys like Trump get away with obvious crimes for 8 years, and that’s when it’s working as intended, then the system needs to be dismantled. Maybe the only way to drain the swamp is to let it turn into a sinkhole that drags everything down with it. Not that we have much choice in the matter at this point.
The thing is that even though Trump is incredibly stupid and incompetent, the people influencing him aren’t. It will never completely fail, regardless of how bad it gets for the average person. They’ll ensure that it meets their needs until we’re right back to living in a medieval feudal system. Hell, we’re almost there already, except there’s still some pretty comfortable people in the middle. But that class is rapidly shrinking, and the feudal lords are tightening their grip.
Then perhaps the most responsible thing we could do would be to help it fail.
I’m not an accelerationist but you gotta play the cards in your hand.
Don’t destroy swamps. They’re massive sinks of carbon and havens for biodiversity. Leave the swamp alone.
Read the room drag, ffs.
They’re a button-pusher.
I could go for kicking Merrick Garland in the dick. Might make me feel just a little better.
The only guy that trump never insults. And Biden never fired.
In hindsight, I’m glad that milquetoast excuse for an AG never got appointed to SCOTUS
He cheated before the 2016 election by committing dozens of felonies, and we were unable to sentence him before the 2024 election. Sad.
Florida man.
That show on HBO is fucking wild
“No one in their right mind is backing 2025…”
Then why did YOU?!
“It’s just a joke”
I’d like to start a new response of “I don’t care if you’re joking, you’re still an asshole”.
Ahh yes the joke that they posted a several hundred page memo about and had been celebrating up until the point they realized it had gotten spread and they were getting criticized for it.
Lighten up bro! It’s just words on paper. Nobody understands it.
Proverbs 26:18-20
Nice one!
18 Like a maniac shooting flaming arrows of death
19 is one who deceives their neighbor and says, “I was only joking!”
20 Without wood a fire goes out; without a gossip a quarrel dies down.
“You really want to take that chance?”
“Your fear mongering is making me uncomfortable”
Is the punchline “we’re all fucked”?
Trump will be just fine, and they’re all trump in their minds.
“He’s probably just joking” is something I heard so much over the past few years about things the right has been spewing. THEY ARE NOT JOKING, THEY ARE NEVER JOKING! I don’t know how this is a hard thing to understand.
Also, if they are lying about these things, why did they vote for a liar? A lot of people who called agenda 2025 fake or lies still voted for the party representing it.
Trump says ‘I don’t kid’ after aides argue he was joking about slowing coronavirus testing.
he was joking about that you too, of course
Also, why the fuck is it cool for a politician to joke about doing shit? Literally any joke is not cool.
Fuck, my neighbor says the same every time Trump says something awful. “Trump just talks a lot of shit, he’s just joking.”
Fuck you neighbor, you approved leadership from the guy who encouraged putting kids in cages.
Putting kids in cages to sell them.into child sex trafficking because trump and his cronies ARE THE PEDOPHILES THAT MAGA IS LOOKING FOR
I’m sorry I thought we were having an election for president, not jester.
How can someone who is completely devoid of humor be joking?
They lie all the time.
we just don’t get to know when it’s happening. People that trust those guys go with a “this is too horrible, so they must be lying” heuristic, that has been proven not to work several times. The problem is that an heuristic is not supposed to be reliable, and it’s hard to make them see beyond the noise.
For people who apparently joke so much they sure as shit ain’t funny
I used to have a boss who like to joke about firing people on his team. He was a nice guy and there was no ill intention behind the jokes, but we eventually had to sit him down and tell him that he couldn’t joke about that stuff because it causes a great deal of stress to people given his position.
Another example is bomb jokes in airports. Aside from just being in poor taste, that’s something that will get you arrested and probably put on a no-fly list for life because it’s an extremely serious matter with no exceptions.
So, even if Trump and his people are just joking about these horrible things, it’s completely unacceptable when it’s entirely believable they would do this stuff and would be in a position to make it happen.
TLDR: There are just some things you don’t fucking joke about.
I joke about firing people sometimes, but I am not a manager and never want to be managing anyone. I only say it to people who know that I have no power over them which is the only time this joke is OK.
I do IT at a semiconductor foundry, and only us and managers walk around with laptops. I don’t even have to say anything, and people get in panic mode and scramble to look like they are working until I say don’t worry, I’m just IT. I won’t say a word.
I’m an industrial engineer and I have to constantly reassure people that I have no power over them
I remember a story of a young manager joking about firing people. The older manager pulled him to the side and told him you can’t do that because that can hit people.
Sounds like you hate free speech! You would really imprison others for a difference of opinion??!
—any random trumpfuck
Every single time any of them say anything atrocious, it gets dismissed by the people who realize how bad it is as a joke.
Every single time.
The difference is that people who joke about bombs in airports typically don’t actually think bombs in airports are a good idea.
Yeah they’re not like floating the idea. Or testing out the reaction to bombing the airport
“I don’t like it when you show me what I’m supporting”
Hold MAGA accountable. Every. Single. Day.
I agree, but also leave them a path to change their mind. If they admit fault, stop pressuring them. If you continue to hound them after they admit the mistake, it’s likely only going to make them double down. Revenge, or whatever, doesn’t help anything. We want them to recognize it was a bad decision and change their behavior in the future.
That was an option after 2016. Not anymore.
What a dumb opinion. So instead we should just push them further and continue losing? Great idea.
Fight them, but you don’t hurt anyone else by punishing them for improving. You hurt yourself. We should give people reasons to come to our side, not tell them they can never join our side because they weren’t this time.
We should give people reasons to come to our side,
You say this and then there are people who say democrats were dumb to try to court the moderate republicans.
Clearly nothing that DNC can do will ever be right so fuck it.
“When they go low, we go high” worked has brilliantly for your country, hasn’t it?
It’s clear that these fuckwits will beat you up if you try to help them. Let them choke on the consequences of voting for a vengeful, racist, rapist conman. Maybe then they’ll learn how fucking stupid they were.
Yes! When you land in jail a second time you should never be able to get out again!!!1!eleven!!!
Trump didn’t land in jail as he should’ve
Also, giving him presidency for the second time is not equivalent to failed rehabilitation.
Jesus I can pick apart this stupid as fuck strawman analogy in dozen different ways but you’re too stupid to get it.
Yes it’s very different, people who voted for trump twice didn’t even do something illegal.
What my criminal strawman and trump voters have in common is that they repeated mistakes and i strongly belive that there always should be a path for forgiveness
True, the goal is reconciliation with them once they learn to behave better
Yes, if we don’t let the Nazis back in then we’re no better than them!
Tactics not morals. Morally they’re all fucked. I can’t imagine how they’ll build the good karma to make up for it, but tactically it’s better to encourage them to be good than to tell them they’re forever bad and so they might as well not do the hard work of improving their behavior and acknowledging the evil they’ve done
You go right ahead, but I can’t anymore. We’re going to mourn so many losses of good people because idiots voted for trump. Some of those idiots even voted for it 3 times!
Any trump voter in 2024 is dead to me. They had the same information as we did, including the previous presidency of that oaf. And they still chose him in large numbers! He won the fucking popular vote too. Anyone willingly voting for a fucking fascist is DEAD to me.
The violence against my people will continue until they stop acting like this. I don’t have the privilege to act on the anger I feel unless I’m comfortable with them continuing to hurt my siblings and myself.
Conservatives: I like [insert obnoxious conservative figurehead] because they tell it like it is, they mean what they say
Also conservatives, sometimes in the same breath: Fake! [obnoxious conservative figurehead] didn’t mean that! Taken out of context! 'Tis but a jape!
Jesus fuck the reality distortion field is strong, it’s like doublethink but without being a clever social trick to survive, it’s just they’re that stupid.
I ‘member when the reality distortion field was just a Steve Jobs and Apple thing.
We were such sweet innocent summer children.
They’ve lied so much and gaslit so much that people don’t know what to believe anymore.
And with all the AI and Russian troll farm bullshit being posted on social media, it’s just poisoning the truth. It’s time to ditch Twitter, Facebook and company.
I keep telling my folks that and that they’ll end up being influenced and manipulated but they refuse because of how convenient it is. And I almost have to keep it because that’s the only way they communicate right now.
Have you seen the video of Led By Donkeys, that’s still online on the Shitter? Shows the timeline of how Elmo & Thiel won the US elections in a TikTok format. I think Elmo will not take it down now that all masks have been took of. He wants his peasants to fear him.
Stupid fascist fucks.
Ich habe es nicht gewust
Oh this… So much of this.
This is like the UK voting for brexit only to start searching “what will brexit do for me” the day AFTER the vote…
It sucks sonbad that dictatorships don’t work, because democracy with stupid people doesn’t work either and most people are just. So. Stupid…
For that vote, we actually had a whole-ass government produced booklet through the door.
It supported Remain and explained all the shit that would happen if Leave went through.
The plebs saw some lies about the NHS slapped on the side of a bus, suspended all intelligence, and voted Leave. In my eyes the majority was not strong enough to consider changing foundation policy, but here we are.
All the turmoil promised came to fruition.
Let me be a grammar Nazi. It’s “gewusst”. But spot on, yes.
For non-german speakers: “I didn’t knew of this”. In a reference to Nazi germany when Hitler and the NSDAP publicised a lot of their plans inb4. Just like HF with P2025.
Let me further be a grammar Nazi, technically there is no double s in German. It would be the eszett. It looks like a capital b with a little tail.
Not true at all. Of course we also have a double s (look under Current Usage) in some words. “gewusst” is one of those words.
All this talk of German and Nazis is starting to make me uncomfortable around here…
In gewusst there is no ß. The Eszett only gets written if the vowel before it is pronounced long.
β here you go
Wrong one.
bullies always start out “joking”
Worried about making white people uncomfortable is how we got here in this first place.
Wow, next you’re going to say Orange lives don’t matter.
Jokes aside, agreed, tolerating intolerance has little difference from supporting intolerance.
I listened to many interviews with people convinced that Trump wouldn’t do the things he said he would do. They definitely won’t acknowledge the things he said he won’t do.
To be fair, I’m hoping Trump won’t do a lot of the things that he said he’d do. I have some hope of that–not because his intentions are good, but on the chance he gets distracted with something less harmful that strokes his ego.
Trump is not the one to worry about now. His entire cabinet and the cavities within every institution who wrote and sponsored and want project 2025 are the ones to worry about. They will be carrying out their edict that they’ve successfully worked on for at least a decade now if not more. They have everything they could ever want to do it. And Trump will do random crazy things because he can now and that’s who he is but he doesn’t care about 2025, he just cares about celebrity, money and power. And every crazy thing he makes headlines for will be when the power grabs really happen and when the damage is done.
And then they’ll say something one day that rubs him the wrong way and he’ll fire them.
All Trump wants is to get and maintain power. I believe he’d like to pass it on to Ivanka or Eric after that. And maybe eventually Baron.
No, he’ll be dead. His purpose is almost fulfilled, just one more thing to get people motivated to accept the new order and war.
That’s what I think as well. If he remains a useful idiot he’s fine. The moment he tries to use power for only his purposes instead of whatever Russian/American theocratic reasons, he’s surrounded by people ready to 25th amendment him out of office with little push back.
How long before Peter Thiel is in complete control? Horrifying.
I’m going to hope that people learned from Putin how to manage Trump and more folks will be vying for influence in a competitive manner. There’s at least a chance that being aclnowledged at the big boy table will leave him somewhat less receptive to folks specifically like Bannon.
Putin managed (still manages) Trump with kompromat. So unless they can get more of that…
LOL. They yesterday posted an announcement from him on X where he states verbatim all the first steps of Project2025 (prosecution of political opponents, complete replacement of governmental employees, dismantling of gov agencies). It’s 1984 big brother stuff. Trump isn’t in charge.
“He lies about so many things! How the hell was I supposed to know he actually meant it this time?”
This is why America deserves everything it voted for this time around.
A lot of people are going to suffer who didn’t vote for him. This is as callous as the fascists.
there are alot of voters that didn’t vote *at all *.
Can you see how that doesn’t change the response you replying to?
Some people didn’t vote for him
Well other people didn’t vote
Are two unrelated statements.
And yet here we are.
Sure and that’s a sacrifice that America voted for and also literally didn’t even bother voting against.
After nearly half a decade of disappointment, I this it’s high time Americans felt the pain of their actions.
The people who voted for evil do.
The people who failed to vote against evil do, but less.
The people who voted against evil? No fuckin chance.
“America” is too wide a brush, but I get talking that way.
I guess the issue is that, assuming a turnout of 60% for simplicity, the undeserving third category you mention only makes up roughly 30% of eligible voters. Which means 70% of eligible voters are deserving of what’s coming to them (according to you). I acknowledge that throwing the whole country into the same bucket is not a fair and helpful simplification, but it’s becoming increasingly harder to resist the urge.
Pour one out for all the people drilled into being ultra-gullible when it comes to Fox&Co-Conspirators and completely immunised to viewpoints that contradict the propaganda machine. Would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Have a civil war then
Arguably, we still are.
Conservative / fascist leaders deserve it, the rest of us do not. The kids who were too young to vote, the leftists who fight against fascism, and the workers who don’t have the time to follow politics do not deserve any of what is to come.
Young voters voted for Trump. Tons of kids support him: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/07/young-men-voters-trump-2024-exit-polls
Unionized workers had grassroots support for Trump: https://www.axios.com/2024/09/18/teamsters-endorsement-harris-trump-2024
Staunch democrats sat out, or protest voted: https://www.axios.com/local/detroit/2024/11/07/why-biden-outperformed-harris-throughout-metro-detroit
Ignorantia juris non excusat. Ignorance of the law excuses not.
America is objectively, measurably, ignorant, trapped in bubbles, and we collectively did little to lift each other out. We are going to face justice for it.
Can’t wait to see all the sad Pikachu faces when he guts union protections and outlaws public sector unions altogether. “Can’t wait”
“Why do liberals do this to us? This is a failure of the demonrat party, next time I’m voting for Trump harder, he promised to help us”
Which is what happened in 2016 exactly.
Lard ass promised to “make coal mining great again”.
They got nothing, which was to be expected.
Biden, as much as I find faults with him, actually did come through big for unions and the unions members, I’m sorry but they’re not the brightest here and we’re failed by their union leadership and by Democrats to get it through their thick skulls that Democrats actually did a shit ton for them and had their backs.
“Yeah, but liberal Hollywood offended me with their wokeness”. Or, “Yeah, but the smartypants college grads talked down to me”
You had me until that last group.
If you opt out of participating, you deserve whatever happens without you.
We’re in this mess arguably because of all the people who chose not to participate.
The left cuts down their candidates and elected officials over any faults, while the right uplifts them regardless of any faults. Is it any surprise the Dems always look bad in comparison to an uninformed voter.
The left has no candidates. The last time centrists didn’t get 100% of everything they wanted, they formed a PAC to try to get McCain elected, but they’ll certainly get mad at anyone who even considers expecting better.
I guess the theory is if people sit it out, handing it to the Republicans, the Dems will get shocked into moving left in the future? Seems like a gamble to me. Wouldn’t it make more sense to do that during primary season?
No. There is literally nothing that can happen and certainly nothing I can say that will get spoiled centrists to ever accept that in order to get voters to the polls, you might have to get only 98% of everything you want.
You need to court voters. You consider such behavior beneath you.
The party is willing to throw anyone but Netanyahu and Cheney under the bus and has no fucking clue at all why people stay home.
Second worst isn’t sufficient to win. Blaming the voters because you don’t want to be better won’t change that.
And primary season?! What primary season? Democrats haven’t had a primary without a preordained winner since 2008. We didn’t even have primaries this year. And the last time centrists didn’t get their very first choice in the primaries, they formed a PAC to get McCain elected. Don’t preach about primaries when they’re a sham and you always get what you want out of them.
Is anyone really that uninformed though?
People voted for the racist rapist. Ignorant would be a component
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I deserve whatever. But my kids don’t.
Then get them out of America
Yeah, except only a minority of the population voted for this. It’d be great if only they bore the fruits of their stupid labors.
Not everyone voted for Trump, but even so, people don’t deserve pain just because they’re bad.
Stop this puritanical bs.
People that voted for bad things to happen don’t deserve bad things to happen?
Wut!?
No one “deserves” pain.
Sometimes you have to apply harm to stop greater harm, but the concept of “deserving” harm is disgusting.
If you have to use violence on someone, to stop them from causing greater harm, they deserved it.
If I have to use violence on someone, I am sad that the situation is such that I have to do so, and I wish it weren’t so.
This doesn’t mean they don’t deserve it. It just means you are sad it had to come to this. The fact that you had to resort to violence, due to how awful they are, means they deserved it. Had they not deserved it, you wouldn’t have great cause to be violent. Unless you are becoming violent towards people that would respond to lesser input, they deserved it.
I think maybe we just disagree with how you’re using “deserved”.
Garbage take. Bring on the face eating leopards.
Nazis deserve no quarter. Learn some history, you’re edging pretty close to Nazi apologia.
No, but it is a democracy and so just how the racists had to put up with Biden, now everyone else has to put up with The Racist.
OK and?
That was it. Good day.
I’m pretty tired.
I think I’ll go home now.
And that’s all there is to say about that.
The time for being reasonable and trying to convince willfully ignorant fucks is long past. You tell them they are a fucking fool. You block them on all communication channels. You never talk to them again. Trying to reason with an idiot is a waste of time. If anything you feed their thought process they are right by debating. They should all be ignored. They should all be cut off from their loved ones and friends.
Shut them down, but leave them a route out.
It’s a cult, one of the goals is to trap people within them. The worst thing we can do is shove people back into that box, once they try and escape. It might be satisfying, but it’s also extremely counterproductive.
If America wants to actually win, you either need to outlive, or deconvert the members. The first will take generations, I presume you don’t want to have to wait that long?
Cults do that from the inside to stay strong.
As much as I want to agree with you, I don’t find this to be the best way. There are people who are going to be lost causes, but we owe it to ourselves and the people we care about to try getting them back to reason. We all do dumb shit all our lives, we can’t give up on people there’s too much hate already.
There are some Trump supporters in my family and I was able to get through to one of my uncles. He used to be chill, smoke, and be in a jam band. No idea how someone so laid back can all the sudden have a whole room full of Trump memorabilia and repeating such hateful rhetoric.
It was so damn hard. Talked for hours, had to keep repeating things like ‘please, I love you, why would I lie to you’. I had to open up more than I ever had to anyone. He tried leave and ignore me sometimes, but I really put myself in it. I really listened to him and why he went so hard into Trump. Argued about policies and everything under the sun. But I feel like I got my uncle back now, like REALLY got him back. It hasn’t felt like this since before COVID.
I know this is probably cheesy but Under Pressure by Queen and David Bowie is what got me to start reaching out and I’m going to keep trying with others in my life
