The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute interview with an average voter.
What do you do for the remaining 4-1/2 minutes?
Go to your happy place
I have a feeling this channel is going to get a lot of content in the next four years…
here’s the thing though: they’ll abolish the ACA, and when people start complaining, they’ll just blame everything on mexicans.
and trump voters will 10000000% believe it
blame everything on mexicans
I’m sorry, it’s all my fault and I take full responsibility. I’ll make tamales with atole for the victims of my reckless Mexican behavior. 😔
Holy shit I love all types of Mexican food and I’ve never heard of atole. Looking it up.
Edit: Fuck your fake coffee!
Hah! It only looks like coffee but is closer to a thick smoothie made with corn dough, vanilla, and cinnamon. It makes me feel very cozy during the winter, it’s delicious.
That sounds amazing 😋
Atole!?! In that case I’m definitely a victim and await my tamales.
“Illegals smuggle our patriotic, expensive insulin out of the US, and we gotta build a wall facing the other direction to keep them in this time! We’ll use tariffs to get Mexico to pay for it!”
by jan we will be so consumed by the flavour of the month culture war (trans muslim librarians are coming for your pizza gate!) that they wont even notice its happening.
by the time they need it they’ll forget who even took it away.
by the time they vote they’ll just think trump saved them from leftist death panels or some shit.
edit: oh shit, the q-anon nuts are going to sprout again arn’t they… le sigh
trans muslim librarians are coming for your pizza
So what type of pizza do they like? Gotta get ready for January!
I’m sure its that woke New York pie they’ll be coming for. True Americans support Chicago deep dish with all that extra saturated fat and sodium
Definitely not vegan pizza.
oh shit, the q-anon nuts are going to sprout again arn’t they… le sigh
I’m over giving a fuck about them at this point. It’s tired, old hat, doesn’t really even bother me anymore. I know they’re saying shit to enrage people but when you see enough of it, it eventually just stops registering. I’m sure they’ll still find takers for their stupid games but i also suspect others are also moving on from giving a fuck too. How long can you really play games like that before you finally see them for what they are? Bunch of miserable twats trying to drag everyone else down to their level. I take comfort knowing i live a happier life than them, that all they have is hate. It’s actually kind of sad, really
The assumption to make here is that Trump is willing to try to do everything he’s said. This is a guy who literally tried to ban Muslims after all.
Personally, I think that the tumult of his administration is going to get in the way of its own agenda, as evidenced by his first presidency. Half of the people on his staff will be gone before the first year is out, and Trump is going to spend more time golfing than he will actually governing. His biggest focus will be on monetizing the presidency, and he surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants.
These and other factors make it difficult to say what he will actually achieve.
As for the ACA, it was a conservative court that stopped him the first time, so the SCOTUS is no slam dunk. I don’t think anyone can definitively state what will happen with regards to health care in this country.
Normally I would agree with you but I think Donald has lost touch with reality and we are letting a dementia patient run the country. I don’t think we could be in more dangerous territory. I mean, he isn’t even playing golf anymore.
I do think that’s the point. He can be the guy in the chair, and let his sycophants pursue their personal agendas
JD Vance was made his running mate cause JD Vance is down with project 2025 and will be doing the actual running of things.
So it doesnt matter what Trump is off doing. JD Vance will be back at the office, doing the nasty work that trump will rubber stamp.
You can speculate on that, but history would demonstrate that you’re probably wrong. Hell, Trump tried to get his own VP assassinated last time.
I’m sure they think they can control Trump, but as we saw from 2016 to 2020, they can’t. That’s especially true at Trump’s age and with his cognitive decline.
Trump also famously told his VP picks in 2016 that they would run the country, he just wanted the title and perks of the presidency.
That was 8 years and 3 swaying Ave Marias ago, I doubt he is more motivated to do the job now.
Fair point.
JD Vance is down with project 2025
He was one of the authors, even.
Yes it will be repealed.
An Alex Jones inspired health plan will replace it.
The Trump government will propose the carnivore diet as healthy. Vaccines will be banned. Only Alex Jones Nutraceuticals will be prescribed by doctors. Cardio will be state mandated as an official LGTBQ activity, along with voguing, cardio voguing. Beards will be mandatory, whether you can grow one or not. The only clothing that will be allowed for men will be jeans, stupid meme shirts, motard gear, and line 9 apparel.
The life expectancy for American males will tank to around 50, women and vaccines will be blamed.
Gays and Jews will also be blamed
I’m sure it’s those Haitians, they seem to be in control of everything these days
If Trump repeals the ACA it’s BIDENS Fault! I’m a Republican who does their Own Research!
If Trump repeals the ACA it’s Harris’ fault! I’m a Democrat who was too good to vote!
These people have concepts of a plan for a Trump presidency
Not sure what kinda project they have planned for 2025 🤔
What’s ACA?
The Affordable Care Act, the US public marketplace for private insurance. Ignorantly referred to by conservatives as socialism.
Years back, before Republicans realized it’s good (as they eventually do with all social programs), I had an aunt say “I’m on that Obama care and it’s awful!” So we asked which plan she’s on and she just kept saying “I already told you, it’s Obamacare.”
I think the average Republican voter does not understand that it is private insurance
the average Republican voter does not understand
You can just stop there, and be correct about almost any topic.
I had to explain tax brackets to my mother.
She’s got a degree to teach math. And I know she actually went to college since I can remember sitting in the back of her classrooms when she couldn’t find a babysitter.
She used to do her own taxes and my grandparents taxes.
But, as a teenager, I had to explain why a potential $2 raise doesn’t mean she’s losing more money in taxes than the raise is giving her.
She also doesn’t believe the welfare cliff exists, despite our family being precariously perched atop it when I was in elementary school.
At this point I think she’s just heard the same stupid shit repeated over and over, she doesn’t even question it anymore.
I had to explain to my mom the other day about server wages and she didn’t even believe me at first.
Not to defend server wages in any capacity, but the utter fact that she didn’t know the wage nor the federal minimum wage absolutely astounded me. And when she tried to tell me to vote for Trump because of no tax on tips, I told her, “then just tip in cash,” she was stuttering and moved on from the topic.
Not even close to socialism or affordable. Currently paying $2400 a month on an ACA plan because my employer’s benefits don’t cover the services my disabled child requires.
Jfc, that’s my mortgage at least 4 times over. Any money spent on your kid is well spent, but it’s horrible that you must sacrifice that much.
Where do you live that you have a $600 mortgage?!???
1995
Hey, you stole my joke from last month
Not in the US. Suburban Wales, UK.
It affords a 3-bedroom terraced home. It used to be cheaper before our previous UK government fucked interest rates.
Holy shit that’s amazing. 3 bedrooms WITH a terrace?
AND you get free healthcare?
God you guys live like kings
Terraced in this instance means there are two other homes, one either side, that we share walls with.
Having good neighbours is essential.
Mine is just over $1000 in an urban area for a town home. We got lucky though and got in right before things went stupid in 2020, so that’s part of it. Also made the move and investment of a heavy down payment because we saw rent was going to become unlivable, and sure enough it happened.
Do you have a 2000 year mortgage? Or do you live in hell?
Wales, so close enough.
25 years, 6 years in.
Referring to the place you live as hell while having free healthcare and a $600 mortgage on a 3 bedroom house has demoralized every American who read your comment.
Tongue in cheek, of course.
The free healthcare has nosedived over the last 2 decades. It’s still free, but wait times for everything are insane unless you are actively dying. People can wait years for routine procedures & treatments. A regular GP appointment is weeks, unless you snag an ‘emergency’ appointment by phoning in at 8am sharp and beating everyone else doing the same.
If you need an ambulance and aren’t having a cardiac episode or similar - good luck and hope someone can drive your ass to hospital. Wait times are hours at minimum. A long time to be writhing around in (non life threatening!) pain.
Yes it is free. Unfortunately it is underfunded and overworked.
I mean, he does live in Wales…
I’d do it all over in a heartbeat but it would be nice if it wasn’t so damn expensive. Compared to the literal millions of dollars all my kid’s surgeries, hospital stays, home nursing, medical supplies, prescriptions, and equipment costs it’s a small price to pay. So I guess I should consider myself lucky.
“Shit could be worse” never ceases to be true.
Best wishes from me, sounds like you have a handful.
That’s a fraction of my mortgage …
calling it socialism is correct, they just fail to realize that’s what good governments do
Not really? Its a marketplace and some regulations on how insurance companies can conduct business. It doesnt really have anything to do with having the common people have economic control
A public marketplace for private insurance is not socialism. It is strictly neoliberal.
Socialism isn’t “government does thing”. It’s when large groups of people get together and tell the institutions “you’re going to do what’s best for us, and not what’s best for the .001% at the top”. This goes for interacting with the government, too.
There are effects of this that can be felt, like “socialized medicine” or other public services… but they are not what socialism is, just what socialism does.
Socialism is when the government forces you to buy a product from a private company.
Affordable care act, also referred to as Obamacare. The name Obamacare was coined by republicans the actual name of the legislation was the affordable care act
“Romneycare” was already taken, and as an uninformed Canadian, isn’t it basically similar?
Yes. So similar in fact that Romneycare basically never changed in its original state of Massachusetts. All the systems set up for Romneycare were copied at the national level.
It’s the same thing but (and I may be mistaken on this) I think Romneycare is actually a little better? They weren’t able to implement a single payer option on the ACA because Joe Lieberman sabotaged it, but I assume he wasn’t able to sabotage it on the original draft Romney put through in his version
The ACA was basically a federal version of Romneycare. It was cowritten by Republicans who as a party instantly forgot that they helped write it and demonized it.
With modifications making it not as good, to be clear.
What was said here is correct, but I wanted to add that almost all the things everyone hates about ACA was also mostly brought on by Republicans that wouldn’t vote for it unless sections of it were modified. Democrats took what they could get and figured it could be revisited later to fix that at some point. Instead, the opposite happened, and it was handicapped even more by Republicans and here we are, where most people just believe democrats forced this awful plan upon us that is making everyone pay huge amounts of money.
Not one Republican ended up voting for it anyways. Most of the compromises were for blue dog Democrats.
Yeah, Obama was so fucking desperate to get bipartisan support that he and the congressional Democrats let the GOP sabotage it instead of fighting for the single-payer system that had been promised. And now here we are. I honestly believe that if he had both jailed the bakers in the aftermath of the housing crash and gone full single payer not only would we be in a much better place as a nation, but Trump would never have been elected.
Obamacare. Also known as Romneycare.
They didn’t do anything about it the last time he was in office and just talked about a replacement plan that never materialized. What makes it seem more likely they’ll actually remove it this time?
Serious question. I didn’t really mean to make it sounds as snarky as it looks on a reread.
With Trump in the White House, Republican control of the Senate and likely the House, and a stacked Supreme Court, there’s nothing to stop him from tearing down whatever he wants. There doesn’t have to be a replacement plan. Insurance companies will applaud the end of ACA mandates, which will let them sell policies without minimum government requirements for coverage and they can go back to denying coverage for "pre-existing"conditions. It’s going to screw over a lot of people.
I think it’s a good question. My take, and I dunno if it’s right, is that they fucked up with Roe vs. Wade, and they know it — they were the dog that caught the car, so to speak. But once you catch the car, what do you do with it? It’s no longer something you can use to activate your base. They pivoted the messaging from “abortion bad” to “states rights,” but I think that’s less of a hot button issue.
So I’m really hoping it’s the same with the ACA — they want to talk about how Dems are socialists and socialism is bad, but they don’t necessarily want to “catch the car” here. I do think that any changes will be explicitly about “Obamacare” and any replacement (even if it’s exactly the same) will be pushed as “Trumpcare.”
I’m probably way off though, and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if they indeed repeal the ACA. And as much as I feel like a horrible person saying it, I have pretty much zero sympathy for those about to get their face eaten by the leopards — I voted D, and I’m not reliant on the ACA, so basically sorry, but go fuck yourself (not you personally, just the regretful Trump voters — I am deeply sympathetic to others affected by this).
The ACA is not just about the marketplace. It also gives protections for preexisting conditions and sets minimal requirements for what must be covered in a health plan. So if the ACA gets repealed, everyone is affected.
Fuck you I read the whole thing and then I got to the part where you don’t give a fuck about people who don’t have your privilege.
Read on, they expressed sympathy at the end.
It’s just fear mongering at this point
If John McCain hadn’t basically gotten out of his death bed to vote no on repeal, it would have been gone.
Fuck Kyrsten Sinema and her fucking curtsy.
I know it was during the $15 minimum wage vote and not the ACA vote, but this thread reminded me of it.
This is the real answer. It can down to McCain’s very dramatic Nay vote because they didn’t have a replacement plan… You can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TLz2uQEtGo
That’s not entirely true. Everyone forgets there was an individual mandate penalty that his administration & congress repealed.
Anyone remember how the ACA assessed a tax on those who were not insured? (with income based exceptions). The tax was meant to feed into the ACA and keep plans in the marketplace cheaper, and to stop the program from adding to the federal deficit.
Once the trump administration came in they worked with Congress to eliminate that tax penalty.
Here is a helpful article that talks about the penalty and what the early findings showed when it was removed.
Yup! This is what is leading to the slow ACA death spiral.
In the current system yeah but that’s largely because the ACA did almost nothing to address the astronomical cost of healthcare, which is the primary reason the ACA needs to exist.
he didnt have the fanatic support then that he has now
He wanted to get re-elected last time.
When they spoke of mental health care instead of gun reform they meant they would take care of those with mental health concerns by simply eliminating the concerns.
Ie. Camps and culling.
I genuenly don’t know how ACA works. Most people get insurance through their employer, is that affected by ACA? Not sure of the exact search terms to find the answer for it.
The ACA is a massive bill that affects basically every part of healthcare in the US. That being said, here are some of the major parts that affect people who get their coverage through their employer:
- Minimum coverage standards - The ACA sets minimums about what must be covered by employer insurance, including drugs, procedures, family planning and mental health care.
- No lifetime caps - Before the ACA insurers could set a lifetime cap on how much they would pay out for any individual. This meant that people who had long term chronic or very expensive medical needs would get kicked off their insurance eventually and have to figure something else out. Or, more likely, either go into massive medical debt or forego care, or both.
- Pre-existing coverage - Before the ACA insurers could choose not cover issues that you got before you signed up with that insurer. So, again, if you had a chronic condition and changed jobs, you could lose all coverage for those treatments.
There is probably a lot more, but those are the big ones for most people.
Oh fuck so my depression could be considered a pre existing condition then. Im currently on my parents insurance plan since I’m still a dependent, but when I eventually have to get my own insurance, thats a pre existing condition according to the prospective new insurer?
Fuck. Im kinda pre-diebetic since my depression fucked with my will to live, soon I might be diabetic and without ACA protection I’m kinda fucked when insurance eventually decide to not insure diabetic people.
My parents have some investments, but even if I inherit some of it, not sure if that would cover expensive big pharma bills.
I’mma go cry in a corner. (actually im too numb from the horrors on tuesday, too sad to even cry 😥)
Don’t worry, with the FDA neutered, diabetes meds might just randomly not work anyway! Who needs quality control on medicine!? (Depressed /s, because this is liable to kill both of my parents)
Bruh, if Covid happened under this 2025 trump administration, I might actually become vaccine skeptical, at least for the hypothetical covid vaccine in this scenario.
Would trust a trump-vaccine? Or more like a RFK Jr. -vaccine?
Well, with typical no-WFH (telework) US government policies, another pandemic will kill off our government fast.
Great, so a trump-appointed high ranking general gets to take over and establish a military rule? (You know he’s gonna be firing generals and the senate will allow him to install a maga general.)
Bold of you to assume they’re not already MAGA. You don’t get far in the military without being able to kiss ass and hype yourself up.
I hate to tell you, but it’s worse than that. Pre-ACA mental health wasn’t covered at all except in extremely expensive private coverage for the wealthy, so it wouldn’t matter if it was preexisting or not.
Here’s what happened to me before the ACA: I started grad school at ange 22 in a state where my parents’ coverage didn’t work, and therefore had to buy into the school plan through Blue Cross (may they forever burn in hell). For an entire year, I paid for all medical care out of pocket PLUS paid for an insurance plan, so that after a year Blue Cross would go “ok, I guess you paid enough to get on our plan for next year.” This is to say nothing of the ensuing years spent fighting tooth and fucking nail with Blue Cross over literally every medical decision my providers made. Absolutely nothing went without needing an appeal or a peer-to-peer due to “pre-existing condition.” The ACA made some of this easier, but Blue Cross figured out they could do stuff like drop drug coverage from their formulary to “pass on savings,” which brought back the need to do peer-to-peer on literally everything to get a high-copay “formulary exemption,” etc. It’s going to be a nightmare you can’t possibly imagine.
Hims.com, no insurance required. I get generic zoloft for $50/month without needing to pay for the $300ish for insurance.
- Another popular thing was children being able to stay on their parents’ insurance until the age of 26.
Your employer offers you insurance by pooling its employees together to get a bulk rate. Your employer then subsidizes your plan (in most cases) and pays a fixed amount for your participation.
Essentially, the government did the same thing except it pools everyone who purchases through them.
Fun fact: if everyone purchased through the exchange, it would overall be cheaper for everyone but then tHaT iS sOcIaLiSm!
The ACA ensures you are covered for preexisting conditions, birth control, etc.
back when the aca was new and neat, i was unemployed long enough to need it. back then the govt subsidized premiums enough to make it affordable. earlier this year i was unemployed again for a bit and looked into it again. literally no better than cobra. all it offered now was helping you sign up for a full price policy the cheapest of which was $850/m with no subsidy or even tax break at all. coulda been because i live in texas but i dunno. didnt go through with it
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