Under the order, private businesses can choose to display signage indicating that ICE cannot enter without a warrant—thereby designating “their property as part of a city-wide network of community spaces that stand together in affirming the safety, dignity, and belonging of all of our residents,” the mayor said.
Johnson touted the order for building “a broad civic shield that limits the reach of harmful enforcement practices. It strengthens neighborhood solidarity and it reaffirms Chicago’s role as a welcoming city.”
A government that detains and assaults its own citizens without justification or warrant is no longer a legitimate government and must be dismantled and replaced with a government that serves the will of its citizens.
Waiting for the first politician with power of a police department to say this. The police will likely turn on that person. But it needs to be done. States/Cities need to defend their citizens. Or at the very least show how the existing systems have failed and fallen fully to fascism.
It seems ICE tear gassed some Chicago cops. Good timing, Mayor
Link? On purpose or out of incompetence? The later is just as likely lol.
Edit: Read that in reverse thinking the cops tear gassed ICE. I know what incident you’re referring to now.
The will of citizens comes second to the rights of all people. It wouldn’t matter if 90% of the country wanted this. It would still be an unconstitutional infringement of rights.
100%. The whole point of the document was to put guardrails to override the “3 wolves and a sheep deciding on dinner” scenario.
Laws/rights are just thoughts and words. If 90% of the population wants something—barring some extreme use of force—they’re going to get their way.
Simply declaring something unconstitutional or illegal is a paper shield.
That’s not to say that there isn’t value in codifying these things. It helps maintain long term positions/policies when the government swings across the centrepoint, but they only work because the majority of the population agrees with them.
Most specifically, it’s to provide a framework so that small changes are orderly and big changes deliberate.
Laws provide a framework that tries to resist change to the maximum degree possible, with the benefit that it’s generally agreeable enough to enough people that it’s preferable to the danger and force involved in not having them.
replaced with a government that serves the will of its citizens.
What are we going to do about the 20 to 40 percent of people who support ICE and other horrors?
edit for clarity: replace “this” with concrete
Realisticaly, unless we are doing forced deportations or removing their voting rights, they are unfortunately gonna still have a voice in the process, but its society’s job to educate the next generation to make sure they don’t become those idiots. As long as the idiot’s party never attain a majority, or try to overthrow the democratic process, its just a permanent minority that is loud as fuck, but has no teeth. There’s always gonna be those types of regressive people, even in the best fuctioning democracy.
shows up to that movement with pitchforks
While we’re on the subject, how DID pitchforks become the universal symbol of rioting and revolt? As a weapon, I mean it’s decent I guess. You could certainly kill someone with it for sure, but it’s not some ultimate weapon. A chainsaw certainly has more raw terror inducing imagery. You see someone with a pitchfork in a 1-1 setting, and you could fight them off. You could grab the pitchfork as it’s being used against you and have a chance to fight back.
But a chainsaw? How do you fight a guy with a chainsaw??? Or a gun???
I guess what I’m saying is, if we happen to pass a hardware store along our march of revolution, could we pop in for a sec, so I can buy a chainsaw???
Because when the peasants would revolt, they’d grab the closest thing to a weapon they owned. This imagery predates the chainsaw…
You also want a weapon you’re familiar with and that you can control. In medieval farming communities, chances are everyone’s used a pitchfork. Axe less so.
Pitchforks also work better as infantry; they’re kind of a mini pike so they’re useful in a mass and against horses. Swing an axe in a mob and it’ll hit your neighbour.
They were plenty familiar with axes too. Medieval peasants would have to chop wood pretty much daily as fuel for cooking and heating. Also most medieval pitchforks were made from wood since that would be way cheaper, while axes were metal.
But yeah in case of revolt, unless it was a very impromptu affair, they would usually have blacksmiths which could modify their tools to make better weapons.
Bill hooks were also common agricultural tools that adapt well to warfare.
It was also common to quickly forge rudimentary pollaxes (halberds, etc.) because they handled intuitively enough to people used to farm implements.
Chainsaws:
- Tripping while carrying a pitchfork is less likely to result in a fatality than a chainsaw
- Chainsaws rely on external power sources before they become heavy abrasive clubs
- Reinforcements won’t hear you engaging your pitchfork from a block away
- A pitchfork is lighter and longer, making it easier to wield and have a potential for higher force with lower torque
- Chainsaws don’t like being used on fluid-filled fleshy bits, which can result in a tangled nightmare bogging down your weapon while you try using the “stuck shopping cart” maneuver on something noncompliant and screaming
- Pitchforks can be quickly shared between targets. Chainsaws quickly share bits of targets between you and anyone nearby
Guns:
- Requires training
- See issue about external power sources
- See noise issue
- Friendly fire
You could grab the pitchfork as it’s being used against you and have a chance to fight back.
Push harder
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Spears, and (pun) by extension Pitchforks, being long is not a draw back. It is a stabbing weapon you could take out someone with a baseball bat before they even get in reach to be a risk.
Spears (pointy sticks) are the oldest weapon. They might have been created by non-humans. They helped us come down from the trees and vanquish large prey with teamwork.
Eh, would not the club be the first weapon? Followed closely by our evolutionary omgwtfbbqhax: the accurate and powerfully thrown rock?
Miracle Blade!! And if by some chance the rebellion is ruthlessly put down with military force, “it’s the last knife you’ll ever need!”
I’m pretty sure it’s an old trope from early horror films. The villagers would arrive with torches and pitchforks to drive out the monster. This clip from Frankenstein (1931) actually has a mob with torches and clubs, but a similar clip from Bride of Frankenstein (1935) shows a mob with seemingly all kinds of tools including pitchforks and a pickaxe. (I can’t find a full clip from Bride of Frankenstein, just this quick shot in the trailer.)
A similar mob appears at the end of The Adventures of Hucklberry Finn (1939), coming for Jim.
Peasant farmers revolting against the monster being created in the nearby castle of the mad doctor 🤷🏼♂️
I’m sorry, but lots of governments do that.
Makes me think, however flawed the American democracy is, the federal set up does indeed hamper the attempts of tyrannical consolidation. Diversity is not without issues, but having enough diversity allows deviation from enforced thoughts. So diversity is indeed a strength. This is what the MAGA wants to rid.
they’re still black bagging people off of streets in broad daylight, in plain clothes with zero identification, and sending them to whothefuckknows…if your federal setup cant stop that then what the fuck is it for?
I said federalism hampers attempt at tyrannical consolidation of power, not stop it completely.
just saying…all these supposed roadblocks seem to be wide open…
Imagine that! The consent of the governed.
This only works if they are willing to enforce it. So they would need to order and get CPD on board with arresting ICE agents. And as much as I would love to see that happen, police tend to be the biggest bootlickers of them all.
Even the mayor stated federal agents wouldn’t be arrested for violating this. So it is just pointless and performative.
According to the mayor, while federal agents in violation of the order would not be arrested by Chicago police, the city will take the federal government to court if necessary.
So yeah… nope, they’re not going to enforce it.
Ah, yes. The government that famously doesn’t listen to court orders will be sued. I’m sure that lawsuit will finally bring a stop to all of this lawlessness this time.
The police are probably still pissed off they got tear gassed (that is for black people!). But the best anyone can hope for is “Yeah. This library is an ICE free zone. Two feet out the door isn’t. So just wait there with your guns”
It gives the populous more ‘room’ to intercede. Basically, a normal person at a cafe feels they have some permission structure to stand up to ice, after all, the governor and the mayor told them to. So they aren’t rebelling, they are helping uphold the law. I think things like this actually goes a long way in moving the general public. At the very least it doesn’t hurt
They can confiscate their stuff.
He said they would fight it in the courts. And we have seen how much respect they have for the judiciary and legal process.
Seeing what is happening reminds me of Eisenhower seeing the concentration camps for the first time and immediately calling for the media to photograph everything and for members of congress to view the atrocities in person. He knew that there might come a day when the world wanted to pretend that it never happened and insisted that there be enough evidence that there was no way anyone could deny the holocaust.
It was the greatest act by a president (in my opinion) before he even became the president.
The lesson being, everyone in these cities need to be recording everything, so that when the blatantly criminal administration and its enablers are finally held to legal account (and they will), there can be no denying what they attempted to do in America in 2025.
We need a EU Edition archive.org. Upload all evidence there. Someday Google search engine will become like Baidu and you can’t find any of the massacres anymore.
wwhy not decentralize it entirely.
I mean, problem is, its not a wikipedia that takes only 100GB, archive.org is in the TB and PB range.
If the funds can only sustain a max of 500 PB (for example), if you split that funding to 2 sites, you reduce it to 250 PB, if you want a EU site, a US site, and a Australia site, for example, you’re splitting the same pool of funds to just 166PB. I highly doubt people that usually donate $50 to one site is suddenly gonna find the money to donate $50 to each of the 3 sites, so the natural course of events is to split their donation to 3 sites.
(I mean, if you wanna make a personal backup copy to “decentralize” it, you can already do it yourself, just start downloading. I’m talking about a 100% clone of every bit of data, I don’t think individuals are gonna be able to maintain 500PB all by themselves and constantly check for data corruption)
States need to be putting out their own narratives and setting rules, not just letting the rump regime set the narrative (“Portland is burning to the ground!”, “Chicago is a war zone, the most dangerous city in the world!” etc). They should use their own messaging. And states should band together to take a stand.
Here’s an example of the type of propaganda and tactics that Governors, mayors, etc. should use:
"Gangs of masked criminals are running rampant, impersonating ICE officers to commit crimes against defenseless civilians, who don’t know who to believe! [give an example or two]. This cannot stand–we must have law and order!
Therefore I have signed an order that our City Police (our National Guard may be called to help them if necessary) will arrest anyone who cannot show that they are an ICE or law enforcement agent. To distinguish them from the criminal gangs, Agents must wear badges in plain view to identify themselves and are prohibited from wearing masks that hide their faces. They must show valid warrants and provide their badge numbers when asked.
Anyone who cannot show they are a legal agent and acts violently toward or violates the rights of civilians may be assumed to be a criminal and be arrested. Furthermore, citizens may protect themselves or others in self-defense. If you are an ICE agent and don’t display your badge, you have only yourself to blame if anyone assumes you are one of these criminal gang members and acts accordingly.
Get warrants, fuckos
Good on yer, Mayor Johnson. I’d like Mayor Bass to do the same. And the LACC to instruct the LAPD to enforce due process.
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Well, I can dream, can’t I?
They’ll take it as a challenge to their authority and specifically target them, just like sanctuary cities and states. I hope those businesses have funds for renovations after a SWAT entry team has their way with them.
Insurance
“As he is now known as Lord God Emperor Donald Trump His Magnificence, any damages caused by the federal government will be considered acts of God and threefore not covered.”
No need.
Many (most?) policies already have an “act of government” clause that is specifically used to not pay out when police and feds destroy shit. Same with having carve outs for “military action”.
Also, funny enough, many policies actually have specific carve outs for damage due to “civil commotion” e.g. rioting. So there actually is a kernel of truth to “don’t destroy that mom and pop shop when you are rioting” because it probably will end that company (unless that is the point but…). But still fuck your Target and Kmart.
Where are you from? There are no Kmarts in the US.
Not anymore, anyway…
Damn Aunt Tifa!
The administration is TERRIFIED of its own citizens and they are doing anything they can do to suppress our rights and make us suffer.
At the same time, they are crashing the economy as fast as possible so we don’t have time to fight back and protest. The struggle is their favorite part.
Yeah… sometimes I feel like growing up with an abusive vindictive parent kinda prepared me for this. I wish I had something better to tell you, but the reality is they just suck and they shouldn’t be in control. They’re abusive. They’re vindictive. I’m sorry and you deserve better, but you’re stuck with them (for now). You’re not alone though. We’re all stuck with them (for now).
They get off on watching you struggle, but they also have fragile little egos that are easily bruised. Use that to your advantage. Take some comfort in the fact that narcissists are so blinded by their own egos, it usually means they can be outsmarted because underestimating everyone who isn’t them is their default mode. Their thinking is really rigid because they lack empathy and the ability to see things from any perspective other than their own. Often this results in them inadvertently but repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot while trying to assert their dominance. Try to laugh about it when it happens. Take care of yourself. Try to take care others. Stick together and remember you’re better than them.
Because fascists fear one thing more than each other, people.
they are hoping to be another 08 crisis, when everyone was desperate for any job, even joining the military
Donald Trump’s rapid-response White House X account decried the move. “This is SICK,” said the president’s team, accusing Johnson of “aiding and abetting criminal illegal immigrant killers, rapists, traffickers, and gang bangers.”
🙄 Oh lordy, I 100% support this, but I can already tell “ICE rights” are going to become the new cry of false victimhood (even moreso). Watch him turn this into a civil rights issue.
“You think you can refuse service the men and women who serve at my behest? Just because they might accidentally shoot a few people on purpose?”
“You think you can turn them away just because their presence makes people so uncomfortable, and it’s ruining your business? Because they’re a nuisance to all your other patrons, and everyone hates them?”
“I don’t give a rats ass if they’re still welcome as regular patrons like everyone else. Or that they just have to leave their tactical gear outside and not harass the other customers! They’re not like everyone else, they’re my special snowflakes! Those are their emotional support balaclavas and automatic rifles, and they need them at all times, you hateful bigot!”
You think you can refuse service the men and women who serve at my behest?
You bet your ass I think that. Let me refer these fuckos to the third and fourth amendments.
Has Trump been seen recently even? I think that’s Miller posting on his account. You know the ‘real’ president. May as well be since Trump doesn’t do much and we all know Miller is a fascist dickhole. Spread the word, Miller is the one calling the shots.
Also many articles of Miller yelling about ICE quotas and crap if you look, so no wonder this would hit a nerve with that douche in charge that’s M-I-L-L-E-R, the Nazi wannabe (if you never saw it see the show he did with spray on hair,seriously that asshole tried it and went on tv just so you know how stunted he is). I bet Trump is great with his McDonalds, falling down stairs and strokes without having a real say in anything. I’m sure Trump loves knowing he has no real authority in the US beyond making their reputation shit. It’d really suck for him for everyone to learn him know he has less power than his South Park character.
Fuck the secret police above all others.
Without liberty and justice for all, there can be no one nation undivided.
Secede.
If Minnesota, Michigan, and the greater Great Lakes area wanted to join Canada I would be open to it.
Then we could all focus on work and manufacturing and quality of life.
Also would welcome the states of Alaska and Washington.
Minnesota has a HUGE tech base too, specifically medical devices.
And maybe some other highly useful industries if things go really, really badly.
Take California and eastern Oregon too.
Eastern Oregon? The Proud Boys part?
+1…AHHH,I fucked up! Western Oregon!!!
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That’s definitely their goal, and I’d prefer to keep my country united.
We were never perfect, and there were definitely many ways we started off (and still often end up) on the wrong foot in terms of hypocrisy vs the country we claimed we were building, but the U.S. is my home, my family, and I love her. I know I’ll probably end up burned at the stake for saying this, but I do sincerely believe that our differences make us great.
They’re the ones that have problems with everyone else, and want to turn us from a big salad to a bottle of homogenous curdled milk. I wish this administration and whoever wants to
servejoin them would go build their monarchy on one of Peter Thiel’s man made floating islands instead of trying to force it on us. See how that social darwinism and boot strapping they’re so obsessed with actually plays out for them. (FAFO)I wish this administration and whoever wants to
servejoin them would go build their monarchy on one of Peter Thiel’s man made floating islands instead of trying to force it on us.I mean these types never stopped fapping to Ayn Rand novels anyway so yeah! They should get their own society instead of hijacking ours, if it works so well! Lol
As an American, I rather restore the rule of law, then pause red state’s federal representation and EC votes until we do a proper reconstruction. This is OUR house, lmfao, why do the majority of law abiding people have to leave, just because of a small minority of lawbreakers managing to usurp the government powers?
Take. Our. Country. Back.
This is awesome
Hey, America- EVERY neighborhood is an ICE-free zone if you have a well-organized group of heavily armed residents on watch.
Or, you know, just keep letting guys in masks put your neighbors in unmarked vans.
I’m surprised there isn’t more “And then someone followed the ICE agents home and shot them dead in their driveway” happening yet.
Be funny if that did happen, and the jury refused to indict. I think our faith in institutions are so low that that’s plausible, now.
Nah, you’d just get a bunch of the most insufferable liberals you’ve ever seen clutching their pearls and flooding the comments about how “political violence” is just SO UNCOUTH and has NO place in their comfy version of reality.
