Tiktok video: https://www.tiktok.com/@cattlemenfamilyfarms/video/7467698017559170350
Bsky post: https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3lhrdl5nt222s
Articles:
- https://www.ft.com/content/bed728f5-e832-4c1d-8c1f-791b574ccb4c?sharetype=gift
- https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/06/trump-california-water-policy-farmers-00202751
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ft.com US farmers ‘prepare for the worst’ in new Trump trade war Guy Chazan 7–9 minutes
Aaron Lehman’s soyabean farm in the heartland of Iowa feels like an oasis of calm in the turbulence and tumult of President Donald Trump’s second term. Yet all that could change in a matter of weeks.
Lehman is bracing himself for the impact of a potential trade war hatched in Washington that he says could lay low the US corn belt and irreparably harm America’s standing with its neighbours.
“Farmers understand that trading relationships go up on a stairway, where you work hard to build them up, but go down on an elevator — very, very fast,” Lehman said in the living room of his farmhouse about 20 miles north of Iowa’s capital Des Moines.
“The long-term effect is that countries around the world will no longer see us as a reliable partner.”
It has been a turbulent week in US trade policy. Trump announced last weekend that he would impose 25 per cent tariffs on Mexico and Canada, saying they were not doing enough to stem the flow of migrants and the illicit drug fentanyl into the US. Then after last-minute talks with the two countries’ leaders, he agreed to give them both a 30-day reprieve.
The same was not the case for China. The 10 per cent levy he imposed on all Chinese imports still stands. And many in Iowa believe it is only a matter of time before the tariffs on America’s northern and southern neighbours are reinstated.
The opening salvo of a new trade war has sent a chill through the Midwest. Canada, Mexico and China together account for half of all American agricultural exports. Just last year, the US sold more than $30bn in farm products to Mexico, $29bn to Canada and $26bn to China, according to American Farm Bureau statistics.
Suddenly, farmers were facing the spectre of retaliatory tariffs and the prospect of a full-scale conflict that some fear could decimate America’s rural heartland. Two large grain silos and an old shed sit on a dry, grassy area with expansive flat fields in the background under a partly cloudy sky Farmers fear a full-scale trade war could decimate America’s rural heartland © Amir Prellberg/FT
Farmers in an area of the country that has become a bedrock of support for Trump now worry that the president’s tariffs, though suspended at the last minute, have permanently damaged the image of the US in the eyes of its most important trading partners.
“We’ve gone from being a seller of choice to a seller of last resort,” said Mark Mueller, a farmer from near Waterloo in north-east Iowa.
Few US states better embody the agricultural wealth of the Midwest than Iowa. It is a land of vast corn fields stretching as far as the eye can see, the landscape broken by the occasional grain silo, hay bale or low-slung barn. Hogs outnumber people more than seven to one.
It is also Trump country. Although Iowa voted for Democratic presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, it backed Trump in 2016, 2020 and 2024 in ever greater numbers.
More than a fifth of Iowa’s economy — or $53.1bn — is tied to agriculture, from crop and livestock production to food processing and manufacturing. It is the country’s largest producer of corn, hogs, eggs and ethanol and a top-three grower of soyabeans. That makes it particularly vulnerable to any downturn in agricultural exports.
“Free trade is the backbone of the economy in the Midwest,” said Ernie Goss, an economist at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska. “What we have here is some of the most productive agriculture on the face of the Earth, and the domestic market is not even close to being big enough to absorb all the commodities produced here. You have to have international markets.” Aaron Lehman is seated near a window inside a room, wearing glasses and a checkered shirt ‘The long-term effect is that countries around the world will no longer see us as a reliable partner,’ said Aaron Lehman © Amir Prellberg/FT
The latest volley of tariff threats has evoked painful memories of the trade war unleashed by Trump in his first term. Among the most striking moves was Trump imposing duties on $300bn of Chinese goods. Beijing responded in 2018 by slapping 25 per cent tariffs on imports of US soyabeans, beef, pork, wheat, corn and sorghum.
The skirmish ended with the countries signing a trade deal in 2020 under which Beijing pledged to increase its purchases of US goods and services. But since then, it has been buying more grain from countries such as Argentina and Brazil, which overtook the US as China’s top supplier of corn in 2023.
In the last trade war, “a lot of our Asian buyers started developing relationships with soyabean producers in South America, and they’ve taken more and more of our market”, said Lehman, who is also president of the Iowa Farmers Union. “And we haven’t got it back.”
Not all of Iowa’s farmers oppose the way Trump has used the threat of tariffs to achieve a key policy objective — stemming illegal immigration.
“It was a strategy he needed to use to . . . get those countries to the negotiating table,” said Steve Kuiper, a fourth-generation Iowa farmer who grows corn and soyabeans in Marion County, south-east of Des Moines. After all, “a president has just four years to accomplish all he’s promised to do, so he’s got to get things going immediately to gain traction”.
Still, he is pessimistic that Mexico and Canada will be able to deliver on their pledges to Trump to strengthen border security in time. “It takes forever for these things to happen, and they’ve only got 30 days,” he said. A view through a window shows a barren soybean field The latest volley of tariff threats has evoked painful memories of the trade war unleashed by Donald Trump in his first term © Amir Prellberg/FT
The prospect of another round of trade tensions comes with American farmers already in a tight spot, hit by a fall in crop prices and higher costs. Net farm income, a broad measure of profits, was $181.9bn in 2022 but is projected to have been $140.7bn in 2024, according to data from the US Department of Agriculture — a 23 per cent slump.
“This [trade war] isn’t coming at a good time,” said Rick Juchems, a farmer from near Plainfield in north-east Iowa. “Commodity prices are low and the price of inputs like seed and fertiliser is going up.” Sources from the Iowa Corn Growers Association said many farmers had been producing at a $100 per acre loss.
Investments in new equipment are down, reflecting the wider downturn, said Juchems. “I’ve got friends who’ve lost their jobs selling agricultural machinery because of reduced demand. The lots are full of unsold tractors.”
Makers of farm equipment such as Deere, Kinze Manufacturing and Bridgestone/Firestone have shed hundreds of jobs in Iowa since last year.
Yet the prospects for farm finances could get even gloomier if Trump makes good on his threat of import levies. Fertiliser, for example, could become much more expensive, since more than 80 per cent of the US’s supply of potash — a key ingredient — comes from Canada.
But perhaps the most destructive effect of the tariff debate is the uncertainty it has triggered, just ahead of the crucial spring planting season.
“We’ll get by as long as we know what’s coming,” said Juchems. “But things are changing all the time. I’m sure the whole world is laughing at us.”
Lehman said farmers were trying to stay optimistic. “They tell me they’re hopeful cooler heads will prevail and this dispute will result in good trade agreements,” said Lehman. “But they’re also preparing for the worst.”
re: first 2 links: Notice he never mentions, blames or criticizes Trump. It’s “the government” doing this to him.
Wonder who is the de-facto head of the government, who we elect every 4 years, and is a singular person, and has (and used) the executive power to defund all the programs.
Yeee, we might never know…
I literally don’t even get schadenfreude from these faceless people being attacked by leopards. This country is being destroyed because people chose hate over listening to any source that wasn’t Fox News. For years… So now we all have to suffer?
When this country was about empathy love and cooperation? Capitalism is not that!
This country is being destroyed because people chose hate
Hate was chosen for them by the rich and powerful.
We all bear part of the burden for why the rich and powerful are so rich and powerful; we made them that way and keep rewarding their greed.
I dislike how the slow roll of economy coincides with voting cycles. These iowan farmers would get gutted now, but the whole impact of that would grow well over 4 years of presidency, and those dealing with it by them would not get credit for it like it always happens, and many would vote degenerate right again as they usually do.
In four years, these same people will vote against their own interest again because “Trump said he would save my farm after this next election”. While conveniently overlooking the fact that both parties will be offering to save their farm by that time, and only one of those will have actual solutions and won’t have caused the problem in the first place.
but remember, we’re not allowed to support the people with solutions to our problems because people on the other side of the world are committing genocide with american weapons.
Still blaming Harris losing on everyone buts yourselves, I see. So, how’s the democrats coming along on a cohesive plan to fight Trump?
Hello? Anybody?
I choose to blame the ones at the helm who ignored their base and chose to run a pro genocidal platform thinking they had an easy win, and not the ones conflicted about said genocide.
Pointing at a scapegoat instead of the ones who took the decision and still stand by it serves nothing.
The gut reaction to to laugh at the way he voted and tell him hey gets what he deserves.
He made a great follow up video on why that attitude is pushing people like him away.
It’s worth a watch. I’ll link it here.
He’s also actively trying to engage in a substantial political conversation and may be interested in changing his vote in the next cycle.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2BV9vyH/
EDIT: In many ways, this community is appropriate for all the people in it.
We talk down to anyone who doesn’t vote like us, we laugh at them, and hope for their suffering. No wonder all those people hate us and want to vote against the left out of spite. Seems like we did it to ourselves as much as they did it to us.
Also, it’s funny for all the people who make fun of this guy for not doing research, but 90% didn’t actually watch any of his video, especially not the one I shared.
Unfortunately the time for civility and reaching across the aisle has ended long ago. What pushing him away is the fact that he wanted to harm other people and suddenly got harmed himself and now is crying about it and wants someone to cuddle him otherwise he will be continue to vote to harm people.
Fuck him, he should suffer, he should feel ostracised, pushed away, hurt. That’s what he wanted, that’s what he actively worked for.
He could try to redeem himself and all that, but until he does, he’s the monster and should be percieved as such.Nah, that guy’s an idjit.
Fuck him. I hope his entire family ends up living under a bridge.
If you’re voting based solely on info from tik Tok, then maybe you shouldn’t be voting.
It’s too fucking late. Who gives a shit how he’s going to vote next cycle? There will not be a legitimate vote next cycle. Pushing people like him away? It’s over. There are no more chances. It’s all a show from here on out. That is not an exaggeration.
What do you know that the rest of us don’t?
Presumably you have heard about the government agencies being shuttered, unvetted no-security-clearance ex-hackers being given write access to government systems, the three branches of government being controlled by the offending party, including the one that decides whether laws are constitutional or not, open embrace of fascist rhetoric, symbols, and traditional talking points, door to door ICE, election interference, widely reported foreign influence, widely reported billionaire influence, discussion from POTUS himself about annexing other countries, Jesus I could keep going for miles but it’s not remotely necessary
I don’t know how you get from there to “we’re never going to be able to vote again”. It’s only been 3 fucking weeks and people are running around like it’s the end of the world.
Those examples all relate to why we will not have another legitimate election in the US. We’ll be able to vote again. It just won’t matter. Elections take place in fascist countries all over the world. They aren’t real. You cannot vote fascists out of power. They have been given power in the US and they will now keep it.
I can’t see the future, and neither can you.
Nope, but I can see the very recent past, and all signs point to an already-captured government and the moneyed interests behind that capture solidifying their influence on public opinion through a similarly captured media and social media landscape.
Oh wow, the orange Hitler voter is having a crisis so we should have a reserved discussion about it to help him find his way…
Absolutely not. If you can’t see the writing on the wall, it is not worth the calories to explain it. As my late grandmother used to say “If you can’t listen, you’ll have to feel”. Hopefully he learns a lesson.
“They both hate us”
So vote for an alternative party.
I know it isn’t easy, and the system is rigged, but what you’re doing isn’t helping.
It’s been interesting watching the schadenfreude.
My parents have been borrowing my car for almost a year now so they can drive for DoorDash, because if they don’t, this country will sit by and let bloodsucking capitalists take their home and their lives. This didn’t happen to them under Trump. It happened under Biden, and Democrats shouldn’t be pointing and laughing. They should be having calm, measured conversations with these people and trying to garner their support instead.
But for all their degrees and education, they lack empathy and don’t understand people at all.
Shitler stabs baby…this is clearly a both sides issue.
The impoverishment is very much a both-sides issue. That’s how Trump got elected. You and the other Democratic voters are only acting like you care because, at the moment, it’s politically convenient. You have no real values.
Just because the Ratchet Effect is true doesn’t mean that both sides are the same. You sound like a Republican. And the only value Republicans have is hate.
You wanna improve things? Vote in leftists who will actually work to fix things. The presidential elections ain’t gonna do shit until we have a party actually willing to field candidates who want to fix things.
I love that your response is: “You’re not wrong, but you’re wrong.” I sound like someone who isn’t looking through blue or red-eyed glasses, and to partisans, that makes me sound like the opposition, because somehow you’re constitutionally incapable of being objective.
Thanks for your input.
Nah, you sound like leopards ate your face. Because this did happen under Trump as well. The programs that help protect people like your parents were created by leftists, slashed by Republicans for decades, and kept on life support by Democrats.
Look at what Musk is doing now. All the issues that your parents have? About to get way worse, very quickly.
You came into the “People who fucked around and found out” community to complain about people pointing out people who fucked around and found out, and called them the elitist Democrat stereotype that Republicans always pull out because they’re not trying to “reach across the aisle” to a group of people who repeatedly vote against their own interests, no matter how often you point it out.
Spoken like a chump who hasn’t bothered to look up the voting history of both parties, so their opinion is worthless.
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When all we have is factory farmed,
grabbingroutinely pesticided* and routinely antibioticd food, will they? Like I’m really okay with vegan but plant* butter is still just transfat. Chemicals build up in our bodies, especially liver.It’s always good to blame the democrats when the felon slashes social security and doubles food prices.
When the democrats have been warning about those consequences of voting for trump the whole of last year.
And it’s funny that you mention the lack of empathy when that priest was just accused of “The sin of empathy”.
The people you accuse of lack of empathy are in favour of increasing minimum wage and benefits for the poor.
It’s sad to see a country give the reins to a madman that said he would be a dictator and follows through on project 2025.
This didn’t happen to them under Trump. It happened under Biden
Weird, because by all available metrics, the economy was recovering under Biden.
So your parents must have been doing something wrong.
This didn’t happen to them
What didn’t happen to them?
Democrats shouldn’t be pointing and laughing
Nobody’s pointing and laughing. Leopards Eating People’s Faces is about Justice-based Schadenfreude. It is the pleasure associated with seeing a person who wished ill on other people receive that ill themselves. The overriding emotion isn’t joy, it’s a mix of exasperation and relief. Exasperation because someone was stupid or cruel enough to wish those things for other people, and relief that there’s finally some justice because they’re suffering from the exact thing they wished on those other people.
reagan bankrupted thousands of farmers too. conservatives are horrible for the rural voters who always hit that button
George W was awful to the military and veterans get screwed by republicans all the time. Yet they love republicans and vote for them in droves. People don’t make sense.
People don’t make sense.
Sure they do. Stupid people fall for propaganda and these losers are stuuuuuuuupid.
You can fool some of the people all of the time. They’re mostly called conservatives.
Except it’s not just very stupid people. It’s a big demographic swath. Some folks know what psychological buttons to consistently push and keep pushing those very reliable buttons. These are old tricks, but they’re now amplified by the technology of new media -and these dillweeds have great feedback now thanks to social media to know if this week’s shenanigans are playing well so they can adjust accordingly. A mess. Humankind’s evolutionary biology weaponized to the benefit of a few. It’s where we are.
When I was in, the bs spewed was that you should vote Republican to get pay increases because the Dems won’t do it. Of course the GOP also likes to chip away at the VA and other veteran aftercare. We also had personnel equipment shortages like armor during OEF/OIF and Congress just shrugged.
Unfortunately there are a lot of impressionable kids and they pass the same dumbassery on when they are old timers. It is effective because you’re basically indoctrinated to trust senior leaders.
It’s a shame when somebody comes home from a republican war with PTSD, injuries, lost friends, etc, and still don’t connect that war with the Republican Party.
And people think Trump wouldn’t start a war the way George W did, but I would not be surprised if he did. 2020 began with him assassinating an Iranian general. Also, he is already instigating the entire Middle East with his comments and threats about Palestine.
Yea but do dems have cowboy hats? See, you vote for the hat cuz that means you share VALYOOOZ!
Turns out racism trumps all.
Turns out trump’s all racism 🙃
All racists turn out for Trump
Oops! All racism!
Mr. Farmer, when trump talks about finding fraud in government, he’s referring to USAID paying you for your farm products. You are the waste he is referring to.
This dude doesn’t mention Trump or Republicans once during the entire video. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if somehow he blames this on the previous administration. I’ve already had multiple conversations blaming any adverse effects from Trump’s decisions on Biden and the Democrats in a similar fashion.
In the TikTok video, no, but in the BlueSky video, he mentions he voted for Trump. Although, your point most likely still stands, because he doesn’t place blame.
USDA?
No, they meant what they said. USAID buying their products to feed starving people around the world. USAID was killed by Elon/Trump. They estimate six million people around the world could starve. USAID was 0.6% of the federal budget.
Oh, that poster was trying to correct me saying USDA instead of USAID? You’re right of course, I meant USAID, NOT USDA. USAID is (was) a large purchaser of farm products which it would send around the world feeding starving populations. USAID is (was?) a giant customer of US Farmers buying up huge amounts of grains. It would purchase $3B in agricultural commodities giving a huge injection of cash to US Farmers.
Whats your question here?
Why does America subsidize so much corn?
Lots of reasons. Generally its not just corn but soybeans too. Essentially the USA has optimized its supply chain for producing massive amounts of corn and soybeans and bringing them to market. The subsidy is to ensure that USA capacity to produce enough food for its populace irrespective of geopolitics or world economies. We never want to be in a position where we aren’t ramped up to feed our population entirely. If you overproduce, you can always get rid of the excess. If you underproduce, at least a portion of your population goes hungry. That cannot be allowed to happen. The ancillary benefits are things like USAID that use the overproduction as expressions of Soft Power around the world in the form of nutritional aid.
The “conservative” plan is and has always been to eliminate small businesses. That dipshit’s land will get gobbled up by a corporation.
Dude doesn’t quite connect the dots. The government — under Biden — had a deal to save his farm. The government — under Trump — is changing all the rules, reneging on the contract. If all he groks from this is “government bad,” then game over. Except it’s not a game.
My impression from the video is that all he is taking from this situation is “government bad.”
I mean, it is sort of the lesson. The government sort of exists to be stable and a stabilizing force.
We’ve concentrated power in the executive branch for years, throughout several administrations. If one election can cause this much chaos in a month (really a few weeks). Than the government isn’t performing it’s primary function.
At this point I’m not sure how much it matters that one party is mostly responsible. The state is looming on failure. These radical position shifts every few years are a bad thing.
Most (none of them, probably) governments aren’t designed to deal with this level of intentional destruction of infrastructure. They expect officials to govern the country, not set it on fire.
Yes, there is literally no governmental system that can function while operated by bad faith actors (outside of sci-fi).
The strength of a system over time is ultimately based on how well it encourages the participants to act honestly and humanely.
Commodity crops prices often trend the inverse of the economy. The reason is simple; It is highly dependent on the export market.
When overall economy is strong, the dollar is strong versus other currencies. This makes importing easier and exporting harder. So prices for commodities in the U.S. fall.
When the overall economy is weak the dollar falls in value. This makes importing harder but exporting much easier. Prices for commodities rise rapidly and farmers make more gross money.
Even through they are making more gross income their cost skyrocket so their net returns are in general pretty average.
Farmers tend to make the most money when the economy is in recovery mode and commodity prices are still higher but input costs fall.
So here is the vicious cycle we have fallen into. Republicans get into power and crash the economy. When it crashes, farmers get high prices but low returns. Democrats come in, repair the economy but by the time elections come around, farmers have not made any money for a year or two. Rinse and repeat.
Now the orange moron adds a bit of a twist to it. Trade war: This can fuck the farmer up really bad as buyers are willing to pay a modest premium to minimize the impact of an unreliable trading partner. It reduces both the volume moved and prices offered from other countries for years.
we can only hope this is the rock bottom that people need in order to see their way out of the fox news pit of lies.
First time?
I sadly suspect that this is the type of voter who will continue to blame anyone and everyone else for the problems they triggered themselves.
Cognitive dissonance has well and truly set in.
I think fundamentally this is the underlying issue with the current situation in the USA. I’m not sure what fixing it looks like.
This isn’t something that started in November last year, it’s been brewing for decades, perhaps even longer, it’s that right now it’s burst out like an infected boil and become visible for the whole planet to see. It’s why I used triggered, not caused. I think it’s much, much deeper than the latest election.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty of people left who don’t think like this, but they are losing ground fast as their democracy is demolished bit by bit by the billionaires.
Organising, protesting and actively fighting this appears to be where it’s now at.
Helpful link on how to find like minded folk to organize with: https://infosec.exchange/@tinker/113589807117870451
This is nothing new for Americans. This will go on for many more years, it might not change at all until the corpos do it for them.
Even after he loses his farm. Even after his friends and family cut him out of their lives. Even after he goes bankrupt from medical debt.
He will still vote exactly the same as he always does. It’s the definition of a conservative: They don’t change. Consequences be damned!
HA HA HA
These assholes would be living under a bridge because of GOP policies and they would still blame it on Dems, immigrants and gays.
Fuck them and their primitive ability to understand reality.
I wouldn’t bet anything important on it. The lack of empathy endemic to the right means that every voter will have to experience their own life-changing betrayal directly affecting them.
For most of these people, there is no way to convince themselves to dig themselves out, we just have to wait until they keep digging and tunnel to the other side. A better wager would be that’s going to take more time than Trump & Musk will need to gut the government and dismantle democracy.
Even then it’s not for certain. If their politics is grounded in hatred rather than self-interest they have no reason to stop as long as the outgroups can be punished as well.
You can move self-interest to mutualism more easily than you can move hate to compassion.
To be honest, I have never understood why the “average joe” ever identified with Trump, whose whole point is that he is a “successful” billionaire businessman. Why they believe he’s looking out for the little guy is beyond me.
These people are the common clay of the land.
Rural people generally on average mistrust city people. City person shows up one day and gives them riches beyond their wildest imaginations, two hundred dollars and a luxury import chocolate. Other city people say “don’t trust these gifts, that guy is a known con artist”. Rural people didn’t grow up in an environment where scammers could just get away with it, cuz they’d get beat up by the other 80 people in the town that all knew them.
They don’t have the defenses mechanism of skepticism built in from day 1. They often do not understand the difference between the law as written vs as intended, because strict interpretation of the rules is not required for a small society of people that all generally know teachers other to function.
Where do they think Trump is from?
Probably one of a few things.
- always voted R
- one or a few, policies matter to them more than anything (abortion, tax cuts etc.)
- likes the toxic traits (owning the libs, bigotry, pro America and fuck everyone else)
- fell for the neo-con lie that conservative = good economy = better for everyone
- fell for the “we’re going to help the working man” Conservative lie
But most likely, imo, is that the average Joe is just way less politically engaged or aware, then you and your peers. They don’t see all the bullshit, bigotry, obvious lies, the way R policies will fuck them over. They just know times are tough, prices are high and “right wing dude said he’d fix it”.
how about just good old fashioned racism?
That comes under “likes his toxic traits - bigotry”
Why they believe he was ever a successful businessman is beyond me…
The guy is a fucking rich kid moron.
He had what, 5 bankruptcy? Very successful
6 bankruptcies. He even managed to bankrupt a casino, which is basically a license to print money.
hes a clown. the whole bread and circus thing.
Same… I have always known Trump to be an idiot… literally the stereotypical kid whose Dad is ashamed of because he decided to clown around and never accomplished anything given all the opportunities
I think it has to do with the conservative tendency to see a natural hierarchy to humanity.
(begin sarcasm)
Obviously, rando leopard victim currently under discussion is a member of the upper echelon of that human hierarchy. They are confused by the same things as Trump, they hate the same people as him, and they see the same TrRuTh about the world as him.
Surely, those are enough “good people” attributes that any day now they will get swept along on the Trump train and will be out of the trailer and sitting on a golden shitter before you know it. He might even let them push the button that takes food stamps away from a brown skinned single mother!
Or, and hey let’s be fair, maybe some of them are smarter than that. They know that no Aryan Dividends are coming their way. But they have the integrity to tough it out while the other “good” people in charge spend all their energy hurting the subhuman garbage that deserves it most. That is obviously more important than education or human rights or whatever the limp-wristed liberal cucks are crying about today.
The money is just part of the deal when you’re one of the master race-- err, no, I mean when you’re one of the good people, the REAL Americans. It’s not like you have to be BORN already having the money or just win the lottery some other way, lol.
Because they don’t think of themselves as the little guy. No matter how poor they are, they’re always temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
I think people are reacting mainly emotionally (i.e. “I feel that this person can be trusted”) rather than doing any meaningful level of political analysis and that the attraction of many for confident loudmouth politicians is in part a reaction to a couple of decades of being swindled by soft speaking slippery suits on both sides of the isle.
(Politically Aware people - which I imagine most of us here are - tend to expect from others similar levels of being well informed about Politics and thinking it to be important, when in reality most people do not think, care or are as well informed about politics anywhere as much as the Politically Aware)
These things come in cycles and we’re back in the age when people are over-saturated with the “sophisticated misdirection and half-truth deceiver” type of swindler whilst not being innured to the “loud and brash liar” type of swindler, because the last couple of decades have been dominated in politics by the former kind of manipulator whilst the last time the latter type was dominant was almost a century ago.
That’s my theory.
I also don’t see how anyone could possibly feel like they trust this guy. He has a long history as a real estate grifter tax evader, and a reputation for stiffing contractors. If you ever listen to him speak, it shouldn’t take more than a couple sentences to realize it’s all BS. There’s literally decades of news article on him being a con man Plus, doesn’t anyone remember his disaster of a first term?
He is an open mysiginist and racist and the large number of closeted bigots in the US love him for it.
Except at this point, they are not even closeted anymore.
I have never understood why the “average joe” ever identified with Trump
A major reason for the vehement support the right receives is trying to control what people can say.
The left has itself to blame for its overreaching censorship in online spaces for why so many people feel more comfortable being part of the right.
You can’t just tell the “average joe” that a man is a woman and vice-versa, then ban him for saying otherwise and expect him to stay on your side.
Can you explain what you mean with “censorship in online spaces from the left”? As far as I know, most of our digital infrastructure is in the hand of MAGA right wing billionaires (X, Facebook, Instagram) and other people who are not really known as left (Reddit, TikTok, Google/YouTube). Most of our big social networks are not doing any left wing censorship. YouTube will demonitize you when you swear enough, because advertisers don’t like that. Musk will censor you when you disagree with his politics. Trump will fire you if you mention certain words. But that is right wing censorship. So where are those spaces where the left is censoring everything that are pushing people to vote for the right?
You can’t just tell the “average joe” that a man is a woman and vice-versa, then ban him for saying otherwise and expect him to stay on your side.
You think everyone is a transphobic bigot and that’s what swayed the vote?
There’s no helping people like you.
I think you’re right but no one wants to hear it. Everyone’s extremely polarized and people seem to be happy to point the finger and say “you voted wrong” with smug arrogance. I bet a lot of Trump voters felt like they didn’t have a better choice.
I don’t think I will ever get tired of this:
Good.
MAGAts can only learn the hard way.
So this chode actually has a shot at learning something for once in his life.
No he’d vote for Trump all over again tomorrow. He doesn’t care how clearly bad this is for him, he’s still better than black people, women, and Hispanics.
Yeah the one part of the article someone was more worried about border security than their own ability to farm.
Well I cant afford to eat anymore, the products all became to expensive and I’m going to have to sell my farm for Nickles on the dollar but it’s alright, because those other people trying to escape inflation somewhere else, didn’t get a chance at an opportunity either.
Actually, history would suggest you’re wrong.
Clinton, Dubya, Obama, and Trump all had control of Congress going into office and lost it at the mid-terms. It’s such a strong historical pattern I expect it to repeat in 2026.
The problem here is that both parties rule as conservatives, so you can change who (at least based on outward appearances) has power, but the wealthy class is still pulling all of the strings anyway.
No, you will continue vote on a system that… not ever will represent you… Trump is a face not the system
The problem is all of the innocent people who have to starve to death to teach them this lesson.
The farming section of the 2025 Project spelled this out.
If they were so important to us then why did they vote that way to harm us ?
Is this what liberal tears taste like ?
He probably blames Biden because the contract was signed under his administration.
But an administration comes up with a good deal for you, one that improves your life, and in this case your farm, and you vote for the other guy. I guess I’m not a gymnast.
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MAGAts can only learn the hard way.
The problem is, he’s clearly not learning anything. The whole video is “see, the government sucks!”, which is basically the Republican message.
It’s depressing. One side campaigns on “government sucks”, and then breaks the government. The people who see that don’t say “hey, those guys broke the government” they think “hey, they’re right, the government sucks, I should keep voting for them.”
Learn? LEARN?! What in the last decade has made you think these people learn ANYTHING?
And he will still vote red in the midterms because otherwise a trans woman might get to play darts.
hating a kid that might be different is more important than his farm.
Won’t stop him from crying on camera about losing his livelihood due to his own actions, and probably low-key blame democrats for letting it happen… as these fucktards always do.
Maybe we should just allow these people to call others what they want without trying to censor them at every turn.
Then we can focus on more important issues like the growing disparity in wealth.
Fuck right off troll.
“The whole world is laughing at us.”
No, they’re laughing at Trump voters. The rest of us they just feel sorry for.
Nah, we’re also laughing at the non-voters and third-party voters. Even some of the Democratic voters are worthy of ridicule.
I’m curious what qualifies a “democratic voter” as worthy of ridicule - can you give me some examples?
Much like an outsider looking in at your country (whatever it is), there’s a ton of nuance to every culture. For example; I’m a decendant of a family that settled in New England in 1603 and I can’t fucking stand the 2 party system. I’ve always wanted to abolish lobbyism, set term limits on congress critters, and outlaw insider trading for both politicians and their immediate families - but my average neighbor gets exhausted if I talk about anything but the simple stupid pleasures. I identify as an adult with compassion and a vision for my kids’ future so that makes me a defacto dem because anything else is spoon-feeding the grand ole wizard party a victory.
Tons of us have been trapped here our whole lives and have tried to organize over the years. I know it seems like all finger-pointing and inaction from afar, but it’s more nuanced than that.
Edit: Not to mention that civil unrest is the whole point at this stage. Project 2025 has the penultimate goal of suspending the writ of habeus corpus by June 30th while simultaneously deploying the US Military as a civilian police force.
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-i/clauses/763
Everybody who didn’t vote uncommitted in the primaries to protest against having Biden pushed down onto people by the DNC. Everybody who defended voting for Biden and lying about his mental state, when there has been plenty of videos where Biden clearly was not at the mental capacities needed to be president another 4 years.
Everybody who immediately jumped on the Harris bandwagon, instead of demanding proper primaries, so the DNC and candidate can actually get in touch with the problems of normal people, instead of the interests of their billionaire donors.
Everybody who didn’t demand the Democrats to stop the support for the genocide in Gaza immediately and tried to justify genocide with “well this is the less of two genocides, so it’s okay.”
Everybody that celebrated billionaire celebrities like Taylor Swift coming out in favor of Harris, like these billionaires aren’t part of the same oligarchy that is fucking over normal people. Everybody that didn’t tell the fucking war criminal muss murder scumbags that are the Cheneys to fuck right off and get the people thrown out of Harris campaign, that had this ingenious idea.If you made a Venn-Diagram there would be a lot of overlap in the middle, but all of these aspects contributed to the Democrats consistently alienating voters.
I imagine you think you’re one of those special few that people aren’t laughing at huh?
We’re all in some way or another part of the problem don’t try to paint yourself out.
No, we’re also laughing at the “yOu VoTe FeR tHe LeAsT aWfUl CaNdIDaTe” guys.
There is a special kind of laugh for the useful idiots who blame non-voters for not voting rather than the party leadership of the party they wanted to win for refusing to do the bare minimum to turn those non-voters into voters.
It’s the same kind of laugh reserved for people who, when their own team plays horribly and loses to a crap team, blame the referee.
there’s enough blame to go around for the non voters AND the dem leadership to be at fault for harris’s loss.
Stopping trump should have been a good enough reason to get more people voting AND the dems should have done more to get those votes. Both are true.
Do Americans not have any “protest” votes, either third party candidates, or “declining” your ballot? To me, that shows that you are politically engaged and willing to take a few minutes out of your day to do your civic duty, rather than being apathetic and/or lazy.
We do have third party candidates, but most liberals would consider voting third party the same as not voting thanks to the stranglehold that the Democrats and Republicans have on our political system.
I bet most of the people who didn’t vote didn’t even know the platforms of the parties beyond a few generic sound bites.
Anyway, voting is a civic duty; it doesn’t matter if none of the parties’ platforms excite you, it’s your job as a citizen to vote for the good of your country. Most adults go to the dentist even if they don’t get a toy afterwards.
Well, I too think voting is a civic duty.
My point being that judging by the levels of voting abstention all over the World, many (probably most) people, don’t think that.
