I mean hey, if you have low standards, and you’re completely honest about it, nothing wrong with that… and it also puts the onus on the people with higher standards to actually explain why they do or do not like any given movie, easier to suss out the people who don’t actually have consistent standards, but instead just have an amalgamation of their favorite influencers opinions.
Win win win as I see it. I’m a bit of a movie snob, and I can explain why I do or don’t like a movie…
But I am also self-aware enough to realize that other people have other standards, and 90% of the time, if there isn’t some utterly reprehnsible trope or caricature or very very misleading depiction of real events in a ‘based on a true story’ type thing… eh, whatever, we have different tastes, wanna get pizza?
I have a friend who can rant for hours about why he hates Rian Johnson and what he did go starters. I think all the movies are good, the first 6 for sure huge nostalgia but I like the newer ones too.
Knives Out is a great movie
Brick is a masterpiece
I did a Final Destination marathon recently to prep for Bloodlines.
While all the movies have their flaws and weaknesses, FD4 was garbage. Even as a easy to please person I couldn’t handle it.Genuinely terrible, I am shocked they wanted it to be the last one in the franchise, to the point they called it “The Final Destination”
I hate going into a movie with expectations. That’s the quickest way to end up hating it. Even if I might be a fan and am looking forward to a particular film’s release. It’s far easier just to go in to a film with few expectations. Things that make a movie “bad” for me are: bad acting, bad writing, bad effects, or bad plot contrivances. IOW, something so egregious it pulls me out of enjoying what I’m watching and draws my attention to it.
For example - the new Star Wars films. They were fine for a cast of relative unknowns. Yeah, they had some heavy handed writing in spots that was bad, the worst being the pointless casino and kid scenes in the last one. But regardless it was fun. The previous three otoh had a stellar cast yet some of the worst wooden acting, writing, and the abuse of digital SFX was offensive.
(Best SW film made was Rogue One, IMO, tied with ANH because that introduced us to the franchise and had no baggage.)
Of course this is all movie dependent. Spoofs and the like or comedy are entirely different vs something like a drama. One won’t be held to a high standard, the other will need it to keep the audience engaged.
I have pretty low standards. I enjoy a good schlockfest. That said, the new Star Wars movies were awful. Genuinely awful. I watched the first two out of some sort of misguided loyalty to the franchise and hated almost every minute of both. Rey is possibly the blandest frontwomen in any movie, ever. She does nothing to earn her Jedi powers, and even less with them. Kylo Ren is a whiny baby with daddy issues. The first sequel tries so hard to be A New Hope, but just has none of the charisma or charm. It’s sad.
I did like Luke’s last stand, but there was so much else wrong with that movie, it was like putting fresh whipped cream on a cake made of shit. It’s been years now, and I’ve barely considered watching the third at all. I don’t think I have heard someone say a single good thing about it.
You could certainly skip the third. I hate to say it, the movies would probably be better without Ren and Rey.
I’m trying to remember which ones I’ve seen, I think Rouge One and the first one with Rey? I remember the casino scene and horse thing rescue, which seemed just a bizarre thing to randomly throw in.
My brother went and saw Solo, and said it wasn’t terrible, just pointless.
I thought Rogue One wasn’t bad. It was pretty cool knowing the entire time exactly what it was leading up to and seeing how they got there. It was a smart choice to focus on characters we previously knew nothing about and not get bogged down in trying to appeal to nostalgia. Especially considering the whole premise really is hinged on nostalgia for the first film.
Yeah, it definitely could have been worse.
Whether you had fun and the quality of the movie are not entirely related.
Says who? Is the whole point of movies not for you to have fun?
In the same sense the point of food is to get you full. There’s more nuance to it.
I’m sick of these elitists telling me it’s gross to eat nothing but five cans of refried beans, like, let people enjoy things!
I mean, nobody wants to admit they ate nine cans of ravioli, but I did. I’m ashamed of myself… The first doesn’t count. Then you get to the second, then the third. And the fourth, and the fifth I think I burned with a blowtorch. And then I just kept eating…
That’s why I find myself staring at a half eaten jar of green olives or an empty sleeve of crackers during the wee hours. Sometimes we just want to get to the point and not bother with the journey.
Great analogy. I’m going to use this next time someone tells me I should just ignore the shitty writing in self published books and have fun reading it.
Fuck you, I paid money for this, I get to bitch about why it sucks.
Sure, but if I enjoyed eating the food it was good food.
junk food is still junk food, even if you enjoyed it.
that was the point of the comparison in the previous comment.
the nutritional quality of food has little to do with your enjoyment of it.
Children of Men, good movie, not fun
Also Pig, too autheur for me, not fun, but i still like it.
What makes it good to you?
Some movies are intentionally not fun, because their message isn’t about fun things.
Leaving Las Vegas isn’t fun.
Evolution (2001) is an objectively bad movie.
It is also one of my all time favorites because it’s fun and doesn’t take itself too seriously.
Schindler’s List is an objectively good movie. It is decidedly not fun.
Yo, I completely forgot about Evolution! Definitely putting that on the rewatch list.
Nah movies are ranked on a set of objective criteria such variety and use of color, the use of varied angles, runtime:budget ratio, and so on. Technically speaking the best movies are usually produced by accidentally dropping a cellphone from a hot air balloon
And sticking the landing in a pig sty.
Thank you for this; best thing I’ve seen all week.
I think you should read my previous comment again.
One can have fun watching a bad movie. One can have no fun watching a good movie.
One can have no fun watching a good movie
Requiem for a Dream
Leaving Las Vegas
I had a lot of fun watching that. I played a drinking game where every time he took a drink, so did I.
How are you posting if you’re dead?
Such a perfect example. I had the opposite of fun watching that the first time but it’s still one of my favorite movies.
Dancer in the Dark
Schindler’s List is not a fun movie.
Movies are art, the point of art is to elicit emotion. If a movie does that, it’s probably a good movie.
Imo if it’s fun then it’s good, but being fun isn’t the only path to “goodness”. Lots of good movies out there that are the opposite of fun
Having fun is always a valid reason to watch a movie. And making a fun movie is a valid pursuit.
Buuuut at the same time movies can be more than just fun and some people really want that.
Expecting a movie to be more than just fun can lead to let downs.
Tl;Dr people take movies too seriously
Dancer in the Dark
No idea why you’re getting downvoted. Did all the lemmings forget how to experience joy? If you like the art, it’s good art. That’s the whole point.
Often times I find that highly rated movies aren’t fun to watch. They follow the ‘good movie’ formula and it shows. I really only like comedy and action movies, personally, but don’t want every movie to follow the hero’s journey. I don’t need them all to be the tale of an underdog who really has the greatest power. I don’t need the camera framing to hint at who the antagonist is.
I just want to see the girl and her dog defeat Predator or James MacAvoy’s beastly terror in Split. If they happen to also include some of the formula, that’s okay but it certainly isn’t what made the movie good to me.
Me enjoying a movie does in no way exclude it from being a bad movie.
Seeing as I do enjoy watching bad movies. Terrible acting, bad cuts, awful dialog. I love it.
Terrible acting, bad cuts, awful dialog. I love it.
I think there’s a certain “The Producers” threshold beyond which a merely bad piece of art becomes a captivating car-wreck. But it’s an esoteric mix of elements. For every “Rocky Horror Picture Show” there’s a dozen "Mac and Me"s.
Wasn’t Rocky Horror shot on an absolutely shoestring budget? I feel they deserve a lot of leeway for that.
A shoestring budget and a half dozen of the best actors of the next decade
I read it the opposite way because Rocky horror is so well done imo. I don’t even know what Mac & me is so i assumed it was the garbage end if the spectrum. Though if it’s one of the movies they made in IASIP then nothing make sense.
This is why I love Nicolas Cage films. But they’re intentionally bad, campy and corny as an anti style.
Oh, Hi Mark
I love bad movies so much
Must be nice to be able to just completely switch off your brain like that.
what
Good movies are self-aware. Not everything needs to be a masterpiece of acting and cinematography, or have the best effects, or the best writing. But they have to know what they are. I don’t mean breaking the fourth wall or self-deprecating humor. More like understanding their limits.
The people making Sharknado knew they were doing a campy action film (series) with sharks in tornadoes. Fun Movie. Would watch again.
M. Night Shyamalan is a great writer and director, but a lot of his films have a feeling of over-dramatized self-importance, where it seems like he really wants you to know how clever he is. So they get panned.
Chrisopher Nolan (I think) puts similar importance on symbols and archetypes with a dramatic and artistic style, but his movies have a feel of like “I don’t give a shit if you get it, just enjoy the ride.” He makes good films.
Zak Snyder makes AMAZING visuals and set pieces.
He can kinda string together the main bits of a plot, but the dude can’t write to save his life.
Rebel Moon had the ingredients for a decent 7 samurai sci-fi thing. But holy fuck did he go so far style over substance with it that all the substance was left out 😆
Same with JJ Abrams, dude makes good visuals and can start a mystery box plot like very few can.
But for the love of all that’s holy, don’t let him decide what’s in the box.
Zak Snyder makes AMAZING visuals and set pieces.
I have never been able to set the brightness high enough to see them though.
George Lucas can do world building that’s a kilometre wide and a millimetre deep.
So many things that hint at depth: space ship models that are dirty, droids that are both futuristic but also somehow junky. Quick turns of phrase that make something seem both alien and familiar, like “moisture farming”. But, it seems like in all his world building he’s never once asked himself “Why?”
The movie itself doesn’t even have to be aware of it. You just need some link back to it.
Take Street Fighter, The Three Musketeers, or Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. Absolute dog shit, all three of them. But then an actor appears who knows exactly what he’s in. All villains in these cases. They know it’s bad. It’s a pantomime. Amateur hour all over the place. The script is awful, the leads can’t act, half of them are snorting coke between takes, or getting drunk. They’ve been here before.
But they’ve decided that they’re going to enjoy it anyway, and now, so can you.
That’s absolutely true.
And one of the many reasons Hotel was the greatest season of American Horror Story. Everyone, but especially Evan Peters, seemed to be having the best time. It felt like good theater.
And, of course, every muppet movie.
the leads can’t act
Hey! I’ll have you know that Jean-Claude Camille François Van Varenberg (better known as Jean-Claude Van Damme) CAN act!
He was just too humble to show anyone until 2008!
but his movies have a feel of like “I don’t give a shit if you get it, just enjoy the ride.” He makes good films.
This is very clear when he made Tenet, which i quite like it but a confusing maze. Heck i’m pretty sure 80% of the people doesn’t really understand what the heck is that even about.
I’m convinced he’s trying to see if there’s a limit to how many mental backflips an audience can take before they start to reign him in.
But before Tenet there was Primer, and it was a cult hit.
Where are you getting your movies? Very few people are just raw-dogging random titles off a database. You mean you kinda enjoyed the movie that the Netflix algorithm showed you? Funny enough, I had almost this exact same argument with a friend the other day about how she “doesn’t believe there’s any bad movies.”
I go to my favorite piracy source and look at new releases. Its like sorting by New+All on Lemmy :)
Man that hypothesis should be pretty easy to find a provide a counterexample for.
Velocipastor, The Brain From Planet Arous, Nude Nuns With Big Guns were all truly atrocious movies that were at one time part of the netflix catalog. Highly recommend all three for bad movie lovers.
And if they hate their friend, the star wars holiday special. That shit is just truly unwatchable.
Velocipastor is truly the Mona Lisa of awful movies.
Update: certified hilarious 😄
Bookmarked for future reference 😁
The king of shitty video game movies.
Mortal Kombat Annihilation close up shots flips into your tv. The Director: More flips! Tighter shots! Flip! No continuity on haircuts or story or even muddy clothes. Just flip. Somersault! Get some ninjas in here with the flipping!
Critical thinking is an endangered practice.
Media literacy is a threat to a lot of production houses’ business models
dude is stuck at a toddler level
I mean, I can certainly tell whether a movie is objectively good or bad while watching it, but that rarely correlates with my enjoyment of the movie. I can separate “this is really badly made/has bad writing/is a ridiculous premise” and “this is a fun distraction from the daily routine”.
I kind of feel like being unable to make that separation and not being able to enjoy movies that are “bad” must be an exhausting and miserable experience.
Saying this as a massive Bruce Campbell fan (i.e. I really enjoy “bad” movies).
While doing anything you can’t enjoy would be “exhausting”, I assume people who dont enjoy “bad” movies just… don’t watch them.
I don’t think camp is the same thing as bad. I’ve seen things that are very campy, but still manage to have compelling character arcs.
It’s the issue I had with the Bayformers movies. Having over the top special effects wasn’t an excuse for all the characters being rotten.
Evil Dead on the other hand bought fake blood by the barrel, but Ash’s decent into madness was the real focus of the story.
Another example, Rocky Horror Picture Show. Certified classic; it’s doing exactly what it wants to do. Is not trying to win Best Picture, and that’s what’s great about it
Evil Dead is one of the greats and easy to love, but I’m talking a genuine enjoyment of movies like Moontrap, Alien Apocalypse, and My Name Is Bruce.
The Bayformers are an interesting choice, because while I don’t enjoy them myself, I’ve heard people actively enjoy the movies for the spectacle. Similar to how I have enjoyed some of the… less well written… Godzilla films. Folks are gonna enjoy what they enjoy.
Its a very mature and peak enjoyer mindset to be able to separate objectively good from bad AND being able to not feel bad about enjoying the good movie and enjoying the bad one.
Im bored to death watching marvel movies that are objectively kinda good but we had a blast watching only god forbids despite me reccomending people not watch it.
I was about to say, I remember watching movies in childhood that I enjoyed the experience of, but did not take on board. It was a series of lights and sounds. I rate those films Stimuli/10.
Good movie: the one you enjoy
Bad movie: the one you don’t
Simple as that, my metric of scoring isn’t good or bad, it’s whether i enjoy it or whether it annoy me. I pick what i watch and will go through review and score so most of the time i know i gonna enjoy it, but sometime an outlier will pops up. I’m still not over how annoyed i am for 28 Weeks Later.
That assumes that enjoyment is the only metric, which is common, but not universal.
Some people can think the movie is of high quality, but the subject matter isn’t for them, as an example.
Think of it like food:
Good food: the food you enjoy
Bad food: the food you don’t
Unless you’re basing good and bad on how “healthy” the food is (for whatever given metric of health you want to use)
And that assuming “enjoyment” is a single metric, because in the matter of fact, it’s an overall score with the combination of everything the critics use. If i like it i like it, figuring it out why and justify it is part of the critics job.
If you wanna translate that into food, then the good food will taste good and bad food will taste horrible.
Yeah. Nobody enjoys watching Requiem for a Dream or Schindler’s List, they’re still top films.
And somebody who includes health in their metric of enjoyment will have a different threshold
Those aren’t “enjoyable”, but they are entertaining.
And imagine that, judging entertainment on how much they entertained you.
What you’re saying makes sense except that’s not what OOP was talking about. They weren’t asking what definition of “quality” to use.
Indeed, but my comment was a reply to another poster who was implying a specific metric.
I was just trying to point out that metric isn’t the same for everyone, even a composite metric will differ person to person
Movies can be fun bad tbh. They can have cheap budgets, horribly low quality CGI, but still be a fun watch.
Yea but this is telling the difference beyween a good and bad movie
Modern comedies have nothing on movies like asteroid-a-geddon, the shark side of the moon, or even the velocipastor.
Those movies slaps and are a guaranteed laugh!
Sharknado is also an all time classic
Valocipastor is a bona fide masterpiece. Quietly confident that the sequel will also be fun.
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Mario Bros. Dune.
Sounds like 10% of the time you did not have fun watching a movie. That’s a bad movie.
Sometimes bad movies are fun to watch.
‘So bad it’s good’ is one of my favorites. But you have to be prepared going into it. If you start a ‘so bad it’s good’ film wanting something decent, you’ll be disappointed. If you go in planning to enjoy the terrible, ridiculous, and ridiculous and/or banality, you’ll probably enjoy it. If that’s your thing.
My favorites of this genre are ‘Hobo with a shotgun’, ‘Dead Snow’ (sequel is actually good), and ‘rubber’.
Oh Rubber, what a wonderfully introduction to weirdness. Tubo kid, psychogorman, kooties, even the fortuitous one. It’s nice to see movie get made that aren’t made with an cookie cutter
I had an idea to go to events that you believe will be disappointing.
If it is disappointing you were mentally prepared for it and can have a (respectful) laugh about it.
But whenever something mildly exciting does happen it will hit multiple fold.
Never convinced anyone to come with.
You’ve got a gambler’s spirit lol
It’s not so much “so bad it’s good” because there are equally bad movies that aren’t fun to watch
Wasn’t Hobo with a Shotgun deliberately made as a “bad” film?
They implied that they had no fun though.
Madame Web was actually so fun to hate watch. Take a shot every time she opens a soda.
Spoiler
There are two scenes where she holds a can of soda but doesn’t open them. She keeps almost opening them but never quite does. It’s hilarious.
Yeah, there are good bad movies and bad bad movies.
Yes if you change the definition of “bad”, but there’s a name for that logical fallacy.
I’m the exact opposite. I struggle to get through 90% of movies regardless of how good people think they are, especially since they only keep getting longer and longer.
Hell, the only movies I can get through are the ones that are so bad they’re actually interesting
Congrats, you’re sane. Most entertainment media is objectively bad. That’s just statistically undeniable. Unless you think everyone is a good writer and storyteller.
Just want to let you know that I enjoyed watching your edits update in real time
Also there’s something to be said for taste. Some people just want action and flashing lights, an exciting distraction from life. Other people (I include myself) want interesting and well-written stories that make you feel and think. Part of the problem is that major production studios don’t want to take a risk on a new kind of story or writing style and keep pushing out whatever formula they’ve recently seen get sales. Marvel is a prime example. Almost every movie feels exactly the same, except a few characters and personalities change.
I haven’t watched a movie in months. I think it’s just not for everyone.
Huh. 90% of the time I’m like “this is a bad movie”
