cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597

Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol

For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz

You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)

There’s much more around as well!

Obligatory, fuck Spez

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    I’m curious where a lot of those folks come from/what their backgrounds are. I assume like 50% are Russian bots, but of those who are real people, how’d they end up where they are in life/holding those opinions? I have a hard time wrapping my head around it.

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      Just reading and watching the situation unfold. Whereas I can’t understand why someone is ok with the US lifting a ban on arming Nazis, and somehow I’m the asshole for just being aware of that.

      You also get called a tankie on here for just pointing out that most of the Tiananmen Square claims have been debunked. Somehow I’m also an asshole for knowing the western media outlets did not claim violence from the CCP at the time, but changed the story in coordination with US intelligence. How am I in any way in the wrong just for knowing about US intelligence changing the narrative, and not going along with it? I didn’t fabricate these fucking news archives. Take it up with the Washington Post.

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      I understand, I know that neoliberals have a very hard time recognizing the humanity of anyone outside of their own little bubble.

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      Glad you asked, more than happy to talk about it.

      I was born in '91 in a conservative family, and I grew up with the naive vision that international conflicts were a thing of the past and we could put politics aside and work on developing science and technology for the good of all humankind. Then, when I was 10 years old, I watched as every adult in the country lost their fucking minds over a couple buildings falling down. I watched our civil liberties get stripped away while we started stupid pointless wars that accomplished nothing and left far more people dead, with complete bipartisan support. In high school, I leaned Libertarian because Ron Paul was a thing and basically the only antiwar voice in politics, though I grew out of that once I no longer had teachers and parents bossing me around lol.

      I had hope for Obama, though I was still young and not politically engaged. He was going to shut down Guantanamo and hold the Bush administration accountable for their blatant war crimes and disregard for both international law and the constitution - or so I hoped. But he didn’t. He kept the illegal mass surveillance going and, contrary to his promise to protect whistleblowers, hunted Snowden to the ends of the earth for revealing the government’s crimes.

      As for my personal life at this time, I had no idea what I wanted to do, so I studied physics, thinking of it as a sort of “study of everything.” But even that wasn’t broad enough for me, I wanted to expand my cultural horizons as well, so I studied abroad in Japan for a year, which opened my mind to a more global perspective and reaffirmed my ideal of being a global citizen.

      At this point, I was a liberal, skeptical of both parties, and politically disengaged. Watched The Daily Show and would probably fit in just fine with .world. But then 2016 happened.

      I honestly didn’t jump on the Bernie train at first, because I subscribed to the “conventional wisdom” of moving to the center to win over moderate republicans. As the republicans went more and more extreme, the democrats would achieve total political dominance as the “party of reason,” Trump would lose in a landslide. Then he won. I was extremely furious and disappointed, I couldn’t believe it! How could this happen?

      In my personal life, I had entered the workforce. In spite of graduating with a B.S. in physics, my focus had been on studying things that were interesting to me, without regard to practical matters like my career. I’m probably somewhat autistic, I’ve always done very well on tests and grasped concepts quickly, but I got poor grades on account of neglecting homework. It wasn’t until upper division physics classes that I found myself actually having to study. I was also privileged enough to not be concerned about practical matters growing up. After graduating, I’ve worked menial jobs, including warehouse work at Amazon, which gave me plenty of time to think. Since I started having a boss and a landlord, my politics improved. I also had a traumatic experience with my brother who came back from the Middle East, “self medicated” with meth, and almost became a mass shooter, but that’s a story for another day.

      In order to figure things out, I tried to find a place to debate politics online, and wound up in the cesspool of r/CapitalismVSocialism, which was created by An-Caps. Freshly radical, I was of course more attracted to libertarian socialism, rejecting authoritarianism, though the term “tankie” was not popularized at the time. I saw right-libertarians as the more “reasonable” people on the right, an idea which I eventually became disavowed of by actually talking to them. Eventually, I realized that their whole ideology is based on wordplay, and that they, along with the right in general, have absolutely nothing of value to offer whatsoever, and their nonsense simply dragged down the level of debate, preventing anything of actual substance from being discussed.

      Leaving that behind, I looked for a left-wing space, and found many of them to be clownish. I was turned off of r/socialism from the “Catgirl fiasco,” and I was too skeptical of the democrats to fit into purely liberal spaces - both of which lacked the bluntness and diversity of thought I was looking for. As a last resort, I checked r/ChapoTrapHouse, which I had heard all sorts of nasty rumors about - but instead, it was exactly what I was looking for: a non-sectarian leftist space that didn’t have a stick up its ass and wasn’t afraid to tell off both right-wingers and crybullies, which made it reviled because the crybullies would run off and whine and make up rumors (just like .worlders do).

      During this time, I also did a good bit of reading. Progress and Poverty by Henry George helped me get a basic grasp of political economy, while All the Shah’s Men by Stephen Kinzer taught me about Iran’s historical attempts to reclaim their resources through a popular, liberal democratic movement, which was crushed by the CIA (similar stories can be found in many countries around the world).

      When I was banned I migrated to Hexbear (yes, I’m from there). I was still very skeptical of states like China and the USSR, but my opinion of America had plummetted in 2016, and I saw them as acting as a counterbalance to US hegemony. I took a perspective of being system-agnostic, that non-aligned nations ought to have as much flexibility as possible in regards to their economic situation so that they can experiment and get it right, and then that system can spread out of that. When there’s just a single hegemon, it can exert too much control, but in a multipolar world there are more options. I was reading Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti and watching his lectures, as well as some snippets of theory.

      But probably the thing that really pushed me beyond that was Covid-19. In the US, they lied to us, telling us masks don’t work, and then sent us all back to work with no protections. Up until that point, I at least had trust in US scientific institutions, but that lie completely broke my trust, and it really sank in as real that the government does not give a single shit about protecting the people, and that my interests are completely in conflict with those of the state. Meanwhile, China actually listened to the science, they never told people not to wear masks, they did lockdowns, I even saw in Vietnam where the government delivered groceries right to people’s homes so they’d stay inside, while in the US everyone was scrambling over each other to buy toilet paper. I had to quit my job because the situation was so bad, I lived in the south and we had no protections at all.

      And yet, as usual, nobody was held accountable for the failure, and the government’s mistakes were swept under the rug while the media blamed China and spread rumors that it was some sort of bioweapon. Naturally, anti-Asian hate crimes skyrocketed because of that bullshit. You can actually see very clearly where most people were fairly ambivalent to China before 2019, and then there was a major shift, coinciding with a propaganda campaign. The goal, of course, is to sow fears of China in order to justify more funding to the military. It’s no coincidence that China suddenly became a military threat the moment the war in Afghanistan started to wind down, always gotta have an enemy to justify why we’re building bombs instead of healthcare. And if some random people get hate crimed, the government doesn’t give a shit.

      Ultimately, I’d love to return to my initial dream of setting aside politics and pursuing science to build a better world for all. But how can I do that when you have cases like Jane Y. Wu, a distinguished neuroscientist who committed suicide after the US government shut down her lab for the sin of being born Chinese? How can I pretend that I’m a global citizen when the government shuts down innocent intercultural programs like the Confucious Institutes? I never signed up for this shit. I’m in this for humanity, not the United States, and the United States government is making it increasingly clear that it’s an enemy to the common cause of humanity.

      So there’s my life story. None of us are “Russian bots,” we’re mostly just downwardly-mobile disillusioned intellectuals.

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      everyone keeps telling me my instance is full of tankies but im not seeing it. when i made my account this was the only instance.

      also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here?

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        I think there’s an instance on .ml that has everyone in a tizzy. I myself haven’t had any issue with .ml specifically. Lot of ‘mens rights’ bigots from .ee though, not sure why that is.

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          “An instance on .ml” you mean a community? Or you mean another domain name using the .ml top level domain? If it’s the latter, you probably mean lemmygrad.ml. If it’s the former, there are already quite a few communities on there which have a lot of subscribers and often appear in the “all” feed. Normally those are fine. But every now and then you’ll see some tankie comment and like 99% of the time it’s some user from that instance.

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            To be honest, I don’t pay a lot of attention other than to notice the ‘.ml’ and the vast majority of the time, I don’t notice any specific tanki-ness to people from there.

            .ee on the other hand has been… (checks) yeah, all but one of my blocks in the last month.

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      Lemmy.ml is the original instance and the dev instance. I joined it because there was literally no alternative at the time. It’s pretty annoying being called a tankie left and right because of this

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        Same as a fellow code enthusiast, the dev instance seemed like a good choice. But no, do not pass go, straight to tankie jail apparently.

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      It’s pretty insane that choosing the default instance is seen as being indicative of your politics

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      Looks at the Lemmy devs

      They deny genocide and are transphobic

      .me laughs

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    No mention of dbzer0. com anywhere in the meme or text? To any newcomers, if you wouldn’t download a car then you don’t need to know about that instance.

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      Lol I made the original meme and text, I kinda just brain dumped the instances from the top of my head, the hope was others would chime in with their fav instances/comms and add to the list

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      It must be the chunk of land they’re sitting on. Just can’t see it because the full text can’t be read in its entirety from that close up.

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      If someone’s identity is based on hating tankies, then they’re mostly likely right-wing (aka liberal).

      I don’t like tankies either but they’re just more right-wingers to me. Just the alt-imperial version of liberals. That’s why libs get so mad.

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    The tankie triad

    making a bunch of forums seem so dark and mysterious

    have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls

    catgirl-sorry

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      I will never understand how you would defend an instance that is not only deep in genocide denial and praise of authoritarian regimes.

      But also one whose head admin (and main Lemmy dev unfortunately) is a transphobe

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        Transphobia is only unacceptable when it’s SHITLIBS who can be accused of it.

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          I am transfixed by their new obsession with women’s sports.

          Remember when the WNBA was a punchline on Futurama? Where were these assholes then?

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            Those assholes don’t like women’s sports, they only use it as a stick to hurt those who are different from them.

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        First time reading the original statement, and this actually makes me less concerned. It isn’t secret knowledge that the capital has worked hard to reframe being left from wanting anti capitalist economic policies to mostly social issues without consequence such as inclusive language and skin color quotas. None of that addresses the real problem that is the capitalist system driving us all into servitude and the planet towards collapse.

        This is also why the left is generally not considered attractive to the average voter. They don’t care about any of that social crap, they care about their own situation and how to improve that. And while inclusivity is important and a just cause it is entirely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and not a valid agenda to run a political movement on.

        The lives of every marginalized group of people will improve a hundred times more by toppling the system that keeps us all oppressed and unhappy, than by having the government use their preferred pronouns when letting them know they have to make do with less, again.

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      It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.

      Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…

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        I think Beehaw isn’t on the good list here because the account that shared the meme is on Lemmy World which isn’t federated with Beehaw.

        So it’s a lack of knowledge of the users that left it off not any nefarious intent.

        But that’s my 2 cents.

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          I thought Beehaw defederated from everyone else during the first mass reddit migration in 2023. It’s not surprising not a lot of people know about them.

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              Ya know what, I just looked at their instance page for the first time and their community rules show that they appear to have their head on straight and are setting good policy. I’ll have to try to get an account there and see what I’ve been missing.

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                They really are a community of nice people trying to protect their peace, as far as I’ve seen. They just defederated from instances with open registration due to influx of trolls, and a lot of users from those groups got offended over it. It was minor drama, but nothing offensive. It’s a bit sad that they’re still being vilified over it.

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          I knew of Beehaw, but they got left off mostly because last I heard they were extremely selective on who they federated with.

          My personal opinion of Beehaw is, I have none unlike The Tankie Triad where i’ve experienced and seen the games they play. Then again, I think BH does fed with them, so if they’re so selective to do that…

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          Beehaw is like the Elks Lodge of the Lemmyverse. From the outside they look exclusive, mysterious, and enticing. Inside, there’s just a few drunk guys singing karaoke.

          At least that’s my assumption. They wouldn’t let me in because I refused to write a paragraph about why I wanted to join an instance that I knew virtually nothing about. Even the Elks Lodge wasn’t that picky.

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          This is why I’m glad I’m on lemme.ee, and I have the option to choose for myself as they don’t really defederate any of the main instances.

          As far as it goes, I’m just here for good memes and good conversation. Anytime someone goes into tankie territory, I just go to another thread. Live and let live, even if I disagree (until someone verges into nazi territory).

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            This is why I’m glad I’m on lemme.ee, and I have the option to choose for myself as they don’t really defederate any of the main instances.

            In this case the choice isn’t yours. I’m not aware of any server that defederated from Beehaw. Beehaw was the one that blocked most everyone else. They could choose to block lemm.ee if they wanted to for any reason.

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        It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.

        “Ha ha, we’re just having a little bit of fun denying the Uyghur genocide, praising North Korea, and saying Ukrainians deserve to be massacred 😊”

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          And yet, on other Lemmy instances like world, people will fight to the bitter end defending Joe Biden’s policy of enabling Israel. And if you dare suggest Kamala Harris was also going to keep supporting Israel, you’ll be crucified lmao.

          I guess genocide is okay if it’s backed by a Western power (but only if a democrat is in charge).

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            Nah, fuck Biden’s and Harris’s handling of the situation. It was a disaster and needs to be called what it is.

            But I think what you are suggesting is a disingenuous interpretation of what most people were saying during the US election. No one was suggesting that Biden/Harris were good for Palestine. Only that Trump would be much, much worse. And I feel like the events of the past few weeks have validated that fear, however horrifying that is to type out.

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              You’re not looking forward to a beachfront vacation, sleeping over the skeletons of dead little kids that we all helped pay to murder? What’s wrong with you?

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            I personally have seen nobody defending Biden’s enabling of Israel, I have seen a bunch of people choosing the lesser of two evils and getting chastised over it as if there was a magical third option (abstaining just enables trump stfu)

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            Ah yes. Feel smug about your moral victory of refusing to vote for Harris while Trump glasses Gaza and throws people into concentration camps at home.

            I hate what has been and is happening to the Palestinians. But as a member of a targeted group I do not have any energy left to try any help them while trying to get myself and my friends to safty. As I tried to tell idiots would happen.

            Also, Harris could have been swayed by public opinion. Trump cannot.

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              If Harris was gonna be swayed by public opinion, it would have happened after the massive protest vote in Michigan. It didn’t. It could have happened after polling showed how incredibly unpopular her Gaza policy was with her party base. It didn’t. And it didn’t change when she actually needed votes, it’s safe to say it never would have changed.

              If Harris has been elected, a huge number of Democrats would be more than happy to sweep current events in Gaza under the rug, because now our person is in charge, and they can do no wrong.

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        Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…

        As far as I understood at the time, Beehaw cut themselves off from just about everyone else in the fediverse. If they want to make that choice I respect their position but its sending the message they’re not interested in interacting with most others. If someone tells you to go away and they don’t want to talk to you, I’m not going to chase them and try and change their mind. I’m going to let them go do whatever they want to do and I’ll do my own thing with most everyone else.

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      have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls

      Who play apologist for genocide and fascism.

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      Yea who cares about those little human rights violations and genocides the CCP does along the way, just sweep those under the rug!

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          I’ve met people in reality who feel the same way as you, and I wanted to ask you something:

          Wonder if our media that is largely Republican controlled and owned by Western billionaires could maybe have some anti-CCP bias

          Why does that mean that China is good? Like I understand that specific things western media says could be wrong, but we have a hell of a lot of proof about what they’ve done. So what I don’t get is, sure media is owned by billionaires and corrupt, but why does that mean that the exact opposite is what’s true? Stalin/Nazi Germany and Hitler/Germany hated each other, constantly lied about each other, but that never meant that either of them were ‘good.’ So why does it apply here?

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            No state is good. It’s actually not good to make up lines on a map and violently control people according to it. The more violent (aka “powerful”) the state, the worse that it is. USA might be the worst.

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            Stalin/Nazi Germany and Hitler/Germany hated each other, constantly lied about each other, but that never meant that either of them were ‘good.’

            I mean, before Methler’s Operation Barbarossa, they were happily dividing the world up between themselves.

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          Switch “Republican” with “coastal elite” and “anti-CCP” with “anti-conservative” and it’s the same old, tired bullshit.

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    Yes, welcome redditors to .world, which is trying to model itself as reddit 2.

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      It’s a bit like OSRS for reddit - an attempt to revive the reddit we all have very rose-tinted memories of. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten about the the rampant casual misogyny, tribalism, moderator political infighting, that the 2007 XP rates were actually abysmally implemented and desperately needed retooling (and that deeply awkward “ron paul” phase reddit went through…)

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      Okay, but where is the instance that is trying to model itself after slashdot? (I feel old)

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        Best I can do is act like a slashdotter:

        This general idea has already failed elsewhere. What you want can’t work.

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      This seems like an odd message considering that Lemmy, as software, is being praised here; and what is being criticized are instances wherein the admins enforce apologism for authoritarian regimes.

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        Yeah, at this point the word “tankie” is used so liberaly that communists are just one type of “tankie”.

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          Karl Marx said communism is stateless. Tankies are named after their support of soviet tanks to put down revolutions. That’s the opposite of stateless.

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            Lol, well I guess there are no communists then, because not even Marx himself, as nonone has achieved statelessness.

            Also, what a stupid image, it’s literally just horseshoe theory with “I’m on of the good leftists” liberal boot licking thrown in

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                Catalan made their own “state” that’s not stateless. Humans need societies and structures, we aren’t tigers, we’re weak hairless monkeys.

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                Ok, I think I’m comfortable resting my case that you contorting the meaning of the word ‘communist’ beyond reason.

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    From what I can tell, this tankie stuff is bullshit. In the years I’ve been here, I’ve seen close to zero ‘tankie’ content from any of these supposedly tankie instances. There’s like maybe one or two people on those instances who might fit the description if you search for them. Meanwhile, literally every day there are posts spitting on these supposed tankie instances. (And actually, it’s again a very small number of people complaining - but they put their crap into cute memes to get traction).

    I don’t like the idea of shouting slurs at entire instances. In my view, if you hate those instances so much - just block them. Problem solved. No need to spew hate all over lemmy.

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      When hexbear federatedn with SJW, I spent a day arguing Russia invading is bad actually, North Korea isn’t a democratic utopia, and China isn’t a shining pillar of socialism. Then I blocked them all because that was exhausting. So idk if hexbear is still so tankie, but they definitely were at that point.

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      You have to remember, the people making the tankie accusations consider anyone to the left of Joe Biden a tankie.

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      I have a very different experience. When Hexbear was still federated with the large instances it was total mayhem. They would turn every thread political, constantly spam images of dictators like Stalin and Mao, and swarm anyone who disagreed. I’ve seen them deny the wrongdoings of China and the Soviet Union quite often, which is probably also what’s necessary if you spam Mao and Stalin unironically.

      I’m quite left of center myself, at least relative to most people I know in real life. But these people seemed totally insane. It was probably also a numbers game, since Hexbear was relatively large at the time compared to basically every other instance. So maybe this was just an annoying minority. But nevertheless I’d never purposefully go there, and I’d recommend anyone to stay away. It’s way better than for instance a Trumpist/far-right instance, but I’d rather avoid both.

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      Yep. The few I see are easily ignored. Or poked if you want to set them off.

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      I’m jealous, I keep seeing them everywhere. As for the blocking, I’ve tried to block .ml several times but for some reason it hasn’t worked. -_-

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      Perhaps that’s because your instance is defederated from them? They were all over the place before most other major instances defederated from them. They are still all over the place if you’re on an instance that federates with them. I had to manually block their bullshit when I was on Yiffit. I don’t have to on Pawb or Lemmy.World.

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        lemm.ee federates with all three of the mentioned instances, so they are definitely seeing the posts from those instances.

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      Everyone knows those rules don’t apply when youre dunking on the instances with opinions outside of the US state department’s approved overton window.

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      Yeah I’m a bit lost on why someone’s instance automatically = their entire identity. Wouldn’t that means 1) technically we are all tankies on a tankie platform and 2) I need to start learning Finnish?

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        Lemmy.ml admins remove content critical of the CCP, and similar things. The admins of most other instances don’t do that shit.

        Grad is much the same, while Hexbear is just 4chan for Stalinists.

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          No I know, but I’m not interacting with the admins of .ml, and I haven’t really seen anything from the average .ml user that isn’t your run of the mill leftist talking points I see all over Lemmy. They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.

          I have no idea what grad and hexbear are, I’ve never seen those instances and I’m assuming my admin already defederated from them. They’re pretty reasonable in that regard.

          Maybe I should learn Finnish in their honour…

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            They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.

            I mean, unless you frequent .ml communities, they can’t censor or ban you.

            That’s the thing though. Those .ml communities end up quietly curated to curb any criticism of the admins’ favorite authoritarians. Highlighting this fact is necessary, and participating in .ml communities is undesirable at best; those who still wish to do so should at least be informed as to what goes on.

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              Oh I see what you’re saying. I agree about the communities, but I was speaking more about the users from .ml getting blasted in communities outside .ml simply because they are from that instance (like in this thread).

              If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml? They’re not in the censored community, we’re not in the censored community, who cares what the .ml admin are doing?

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                If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml?

                Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren’t welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it’s not inherently wrong for it to do so.

                I don’t think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I’d say a good 4/5s of the time, it’s someone from .ml.

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                  Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization.

                  Sure, but only if they’re solely in those echo chambers, which if they’re posting in .world, they clearly aren’t. And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.

                  I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don’t automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.

                  I had no idea about the Hexbear/lemmygrad lore though, I’ll definitely keep that in mind going forward.

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        Yeah I randomly picked an instance when I created this account around a year ago, and these days I see people comment things like “lol of course you’re from .ml”.

        I don’t even know what’s the difference between instances. And it’s not like we were given a whole lot of explanation when picking one.

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        Yeah, hexbear and .grad seem to be mostly tankie users, but it seems much more split on .ml. The admins are questionable, and I’ve seen tankies there disproportionally, but since it was the default instance for a long time, there are also a bunch of non-tankie users. I think lumping .ml in with hexbear and .grad really downplays just how bad those two are.

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        Anyone who disagrees with their narratives is banned in hexbear. Ml was the default for a while so loads of people on there who have no idea what a tankie even is.

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        What? Those are the three instant where I see the least denial of the US and Israels genocide, and the least bootlicking of western authoritarianism.

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            Ok senator McCarthy, not sure what that has to do with what I said. While you’re here, will you also condemn Ukraine’s Donbas genocide?

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            The irony of this is that not being a western bootlicker does automatically make you a Russian bootlicker, according to the people complaining about the “tankie triad”.

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                Oh, so turns out you can deny genocides then? Oh right, only if it’s not the west making the accusation.

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        No, I mean it’s the new / local meme word to shut off conversation. And apparently used pretty much the same way right-wingers use it.

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        It’s 2025, everyone is both doing genocide and is denying genocide all of the time. Unfortunately that word no longer has any meaning.

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            Yes everyone is aware of this power so are using the word as a propaganda tool to further their causes. And everyone is aware that the word is being used as a propaganda tool.

            The scary part is that by watering down the meaning of the word, it’s made actual genocide more likely. If everyone is constantly being accused of genocide all of the time then no one will know when an actual genocide is happening.

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      There’s a shit ton of far-right and Sinophobic people on .world. They can’t abide anything that isn’t in line with whatever the CIA is saying.

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    Oh hey this looks familiar LMAO

    Before the tankies come in here

    Their calls of unity and accusations of division are false, they’re Authoritarian “leftists” who deny anything bad of the CCP, Russia and NK from human rights violations to genocides and any evidence of said acts is nothing but “CIA/Western propaganda”

    Tankies are not socialists, they’re not communists, they’re authoritarians, full stop.

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      Communism is a flavor of authoritarianism. You can’t tell me that the USSR valued freedom.

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        Stalinists et co are not the totality of communist thought, despite how much as they tried to portray themselves as such.

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            Mao only split from the Sovs because the Sovs became slightly less Stalinist under Khrushchev.

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            Mao is a Maoist, and the CCP claim to be ‘the sole heir and successor to Joseph Stalin concerning the correct interpretation of Marxism–Leninism and the ideological leader of world communism,’ and I think (hope?) we can agree that Stalinism is not communism.

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        You’re a Right-wing nut job, your opinion afaic, is worth even less than the tankies. And that should tell you a lot, but I know it won’t.

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            What’s it like having even /c/conservative think you’re a right-wing nutjob? Do you think the entire world is a leftist conspiracy out to get you, personally?

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              Most conservative is just random Lemmy users finding it.

              And no. Lemmy is a itty bitty part of the world. Why would I think it’s a world-wide leftist conspiracy?

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                And no. Lemmy is a itty bitty part of the world. Why would I think it’s a world-wide leftist conspiracy?

                Oh when you said “No wonder the left is upset, their propaganda department is being shut down.” over USAID being ransacked by fascists, I just assumed you thought the entire world was a leftist conspiracy.

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            Oh no he’s not calling you a rightwing nutjob so you know, its so the rest of us can casually ignore you. Your feelings on this matter are inconsequential.

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        USSR (and China, too) didn’t even have communism. It had socialism and strived for the communist world in the future.

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        Only in the ways it’s been implemented at the state level so far. Which, admittedly, may be the only way it can.

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        Nah, that stuff is the Dictatorship Of The Proletariat, which is a supposed way to Communism, rather than Communism itself, and as the “dictatorship” in the name indicates, it’s an authoritarian regime.

        The valid criticism of Communism is not that it’s authoritarian is that in over a century all countries who tried to get there took the authoritarian path and not a single one ever left that stage and reached Communism - in other words, Communism seems to be a unachieveable ideal.